and what exactly is wrong with the rule...half of the posters on here were complaining 2 years ago about points being thrown over the bar...now when refs are pulling plyers up for throwing the ball..everyone is up in arms..pathetic...passing the ball by hand is supposed to be that..a striking of the ball with the hand..not a throw...it's the players who are at fault if they can't pass the ball correctly..after all they did have the national league to get it right

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 16/05/2010 20:27:23    648925

liathroid...didn't know there was all-irelands handed out for pretty football...derry and armagh are still in the top ten in the country

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 16/05/2010 20:34:17    648939

liathroidboy is light a bad dose of the scour, ignore it enough and it'll eventually go away.


Come on folks its evident hes a WUM just ignore him.

Fr.Ted.Crilly (Derry) - Posts: 449 - 16/05/2010 20:56:49    648983

There is nothing wrong with the "striking action" rule. It was just the referees were very poor yesterday in implementing it.

They seem to have outlawed the overhand handpass though which I cant understand. Some people just prefer using the overhand method, why is it any different to the underhand way?

jafallon (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 17/05/2010 09:12:52    649142

If Joe Canning places the ball one foot outside the boundry line while taking a sideline cut and scores direct does the score stand?? Technicaly he is scoring from outside the field of play? isnt he?? Any views?

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 17/05/2010 11:14:15    649287

This was posted as a new thread but has been brought on here as the subject matter is the same.

richiej

17/05/2010

10:39

SIDELINE KICK/PUCK

The new rule regarding sideline kick/puck to be taken from outside the boundry line is a complete joke..What happens if a player scores direct from a sideline kick/puck??
Technically the ball is out of play so can the score stand??
If its taken from outside the boundry line its officaly not in play...ANY VIEWS?
Maybe its time to brinf the sideline kick/puck from the ground back again..

Administrator (None) - Posts: 535 - 17/05/2010 11:49:03    649344

Just like the first few rounds of the league confusion reigned with the handpass. They should have stuck to the fist pass which was tried in the league and then there would be no issues. The sideline kick from outside the pitch will be ok in time just like the puck out in hurling. There was a lot of complaining about that rule but it didn't take long to die down. I would like to ask when the Aussie Rules style fielding was introduced cause Donaghty was on the Tipp lads back when he caught the ball for Sheehan's second goal. Suprised no body commented on this.

Diego (Meath) - Posts: 1205 - 17/05/2010 13:17:29    649551

Ok the refs were inconsistent but the players have to take some responsability here as well

The handpass has become a joke. Players have pushed this and pushed this but and you pretty much have players throuwing the ball around disguised with a follow through fist. Its not the way these players were taught they know it, but they get away with it and shouldn't!

A typical example of the type of handpass that should be illegal was Ciaran Donaghy's yesterday, he threw the ball with his suposed resting hand and followed through with a fist to make it look like a fist pass, it a throw ball. good decision referee!
However a typical example of a legal pass in my book at least was Ciaran McKeever's open handed pass, it was underhand and his resting hand didn't move, completely ok in my book but the ref blew it up, bad decision.
So they while they are heading in the correct direction they do need to be more consistent but it will take time. Players are the key though, everyone knows what a good fist pass is so just get on with doing them correctly

In my opinion the GAA need to stick with this, be clearer in the definition and be consistent in the application

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 17/05/2010 19:56:37    650298

should be no handpass at all.

voiceofreason (Mayo) - Posts: 588 - 18/05/2010 13:25:32    650858

So what's happening with the overhead hand pass then? I guess you can't do this now. This was one of the ways a player could 'get rid ' of the ball when surrounded by the blanket.


Makes opposing being surrounded more difficult i would say...

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 18/05/2010 13:46:24    650900

The rules were fine and apart from 1 or 2 instances were applied ok imo.. Does anyone else think the managers were delighted to concentrate on something else:
John Evans being paid and lost by 12 points to kerry in 3rd gear
Luke Dempsey hammered by wicklow, 2 sent off, bottom of fair play league and still the refs pick on him
Jack O connor: cute h**r, take focus off Kerry winning easily in 3rd gear
Micko: cute h**r as above v bitter towards authorities
Armagh said nothing

leftcorner (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 18/05/2010 14:21:17    650934

There is nothing wrong with the rule but the referees are not using common scence and players need to be given the benifit of the doubt when the referee clearly cant see!!After all is it not the players who keep the GAA going not people in suits who never kicked a ball

brandyboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 112 - 18/05/2010 15:25:06    651014

leftcorner
County: Wexford
Posts: 116

650934 The rules were fine and apart from 1 or 2 instances were applied ok imo.. Does anyone else think the managers were delighted to concentrate on something else:
John Evans being paid and lost by 12 points to kerry in 3rd gear
Luke Dempsey hammered by wicklow, 2 sent off, bottom of fair play league and still the refs pick on him
Jack O connor: cute h**r, take focus off Kerry winning easily in 3rd gear
Micko: cute h**r as above v bitter towards authorities
Armagh said nothing

Stevy mcdonnel said something along the lines, "we had a referee down showing what was allowed and what wasnt and we couldnt tell the difference in the two"

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 18/05/2010 15:41:39    651029

John Evans is not being paid; croke park said he could not hold the paid place of director of football and be an intercounty manager so he is just an intercounty manager

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 18/05/2010 16:05:08    651075

i think the rules are fine,players and managers will just have to quit whinging and get on with it and learn how to hand pass a ball properly(these were the rules anyway,the handpass is just being enforced now)

pass_it (Longford) - Posts: 59 - 18/05/2010 16:58:13    651164

Yeah they are fine but over the weekend the refs went mad blowing in the wrong and sending off poor gossons!

zamora (Cavan) - Posts: 200 - 18/05/2010 17:04:27    651172

these rules are gonna cause nothing but trouble.

Grattonboy (Monaghan) - Posts: 143 - 18/05/2010 17:09:44    651183

Jinxie
County: Meath
Posts: 2355

648471 Its a joke alright, refs are gonna destroy the championship with that sort of nit picking, but having said that, neither team are helping themselves in the rest of the game either.


You might not know this where your from but refs did not bring in the rules even though most of them do not like the new rules.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/05/2010 17:40:07    651236

This was posted as a new thread but has been incorporated here as the subject matter is the same.

Rambo

19/05/2010 15:41

Handpass RULES

Can we name and shame the people who dreamt up these rules? WHo are they and who pass them? There mustn't be that many of them cos the players, management and Refs all want rid of it

Administrator (None) - Posts: 535 - 19/05/2010 15:54:58    652283

The frustrating thing is that both rule changes slow down the game. The best rule ever brought in was frees out of the hand as it speeded up the game.

In many pitches its hard for the kicker to be behind the sideline with flags, mentors, subs in the way and the hand pass change just means more and more frees.

In the first half of the carlow wicklow match brendan murphy got called up on the sidleine rule even though he was behind the line (ref wanted to get his quota in ), 2 minutes later the ref blew a player up for taking a free from the wrong position even though he was level with the linesman who was showing him the spot.

The crowd got frustrated and from the resulting throw in , the ref gave a soft free to carlow. The player then walked 5 yards up and took it with no penalty.

It all justs slows the game down and means players are concentrating on not breaking crazy rules and not on football.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1541 - 19/05/2010 16:40:41    652362