PROC_Hurler
County: Cork
Posts: 36

639229 Its anti-cork discrimination again from HQ. Nicky Brennan started it all and Cooney isn't doing anything to stop it.


Is that the same Christy Cooney from Youghal?

Now PROC remind all the boys and girls where Youghal is.................

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 06/05/2010 14:36:25    639609

pearsesabu
County: Antrim
Posts: 622

639569 Anybody with Nemo connections able to get an inside line on this? It sounds bizarre - surely this is just being hyped up? If it turns out to be true, I'd suggest that other clubs that have good arrangements with other sports in their area all confess their sins in support of Nemo. I've said it elsewhere on here before, personally, if it came to it, I'd prefer kids to even play soccer on a GAA pitch than sit in front of the tv.

Great point man. A lot of clubs have agreements with soccer and rugby clubs where the GAA club benefits from the use of the others facilities or monetarily from the use of their own ground. This situation stinks and as stated by other posters goes against the views of the majority of GAA members.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 06/05/2010 14:40:31    639614

Well be it fining Joe Higgins for bringing his two sons on the parade before the Leinster final in 2003 and or not letting Man Utd play in a charity match in Omagh after the bombing the GAA do tend to stick to the rulebook. In this instance, I think the GAA will feel they are at the top of a very slipery slope. I mean where do you think we should draw the line? Let Ulster Rugby play in Clones? Ireland play soccer internationals in Galway?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 06/05/2010 14:47:11    639626

The GAA is a mass of convoluted contradictions, opinions and gombeen politicking since it was founded.
Dr Douglas Hyde was always heavily involved with the GAA but when he attended a rugby match in his
official capacity as President of Ireland the GAA banned him from the association!!

Imagine that. Banning the president because he watched a rugby match.

That was the way then and in the 21st century little has really changed.

RAM85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 978 - 06/05/2010 15:02:26    639658

RAM 85
I think the match Dr Douglas Hyde attended as President was a soccer match and not a rugby match.

ogormanmahon (Tipperary) - Posts: 66 - 06/05/2010 15:16:23    639685

I think people often forget the origins of the GAA when they lambast it for not embracing soccer and rugby etc. The organisation was set up originally and indeed throughout alot of its history has remained a sporting body with quasi-political ideals. Remember Archbishop Croke's letter

"One of the most painful, let me assure you, and, at the same time, one of the most frequently recurring reflections that, as an Irishman, I am compelled to make in connection with the present aspect of things in this country, is derived from the ugly and irritating fact that we are daily importing from England not only her manufactured goods, which we cannot help doing, since she has practically strangled our own manufacturing appliances, but, together with her fashions, her accent, her vicious literature, her music, her dances, and her manifold mannerisms, her games also and her pastimes, to the utter discredit of our own grand national sports, and to the sore humiliation, as I believe, of every genuine son and daughter of the old land."

However I digress a little, the reality is Nemo broke the rules of the organisation. Is the rule correct? That's still being debated however if I punch a player on the field I can expect punishment bacause I broke a rule. If Nemo and other clubs want to allow other organisations the use of their facilities, then go to Congress and vote for a rule change instead of criticising the GAA from enforcing its own democratically agreed rules.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 06/05/2010 15:34:33    639713

No-one's doubting the rules Tir Goodfella, its the hypocrisy of GAA clubs using Rugby and Soccer grounds that is causing such controversy. There really is no issue here. If the GAA see sense, they'll just let it go, amend the rule and get on with it.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 06/05/2010 16:07:36    639769

Its anti-cork discrimination again from HQ. Nicky Brennan started it all and Cooney isn't doing anything to stop it.

cooney is from cork!

rebelsrock (Cork) - Posts: 550 - 06/05/2010 16:51:11    639841

Goodfella- Archbishop Croke wasn't much of a multiculturalists then I suppose....

Let's suppose for a moment that Nemo did break the rules... are you telling me that the decision to enforce this rule in this instance isn't more than a little preposterous and a screaming example of the blazers gone mad. A political decision to enforce this rule was made IHMO. I don't think that it's a victimise Nemo thing either, rather I suspect it's the 'ban' mentality rearing its ugly head. I see it as some gom in HQ licking his lips at the prospect of standing up for his version of what's right and wrong - 'keep dem furriners out...'

There are a plenty of examples of minor infringements of government and local authority laws & regulations in this country that are not enforced to their full extent. IMHO there should always a common sense approach to the enforcement of rules and regulations and this ain't it.

CorkieInKerry (Cork) - Posts: 93 - 06/05/2010 17:05:40    639870

Its an awful stupid rule but life is full of stupid rules. All ya can ask is that everyone has to abide by the same rules.

Bosco1937 (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 06/05/2010 18:05:29    639968

During the GAA's ban on "foreign" sports, it was well know that Mick Mackey (legendary Limerick hurler) use to regularly attend rugby matches. The GAA didn't want their stupid rule to backfire and have to ban one of their greats so they asked Mick to be a "spotter" at the rugby matches where he would go along to the games in an official GAA capacity to look for other GAA people so that they could be banned !! However Mick wasn't very successful at his job and not one GAA person was reported at being at any rugby match in Limerick despite Mick attending 100's of games over the years to look for these traitors to our country !!

The GAA can change the rules to suit themselves whenever they want, I can't believe that they could fine Nemo for this !

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1139 - 06/05/2010 18:06:26    639969

Nemo the rumour mill are going to be thrown out of county championship. Good decision.

castlemaine (Kerry) - Posts: 546 - 06/05/2010 20:42:00    640131

You could be right O'Gorman. It's still stone mad though.

RAM85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 978 - 06/05/2010 20:50:05    640138

Great post there county man (from Limerick).

To Goodfella from Tir Eoghain. You are right in saying that rules are rules, however, these are archaic rules that were set up in a different time period, in different political contexts. Similarly, if you read that statute books of any constitution (national constitution) you will see that there are several archaic laws that are rarely implemented or enforced. Why is this the case? quite simply, because common sense prevails. These rules/laws are not amended generally because there are more pressing and relevant matters to deal with. Generally, common sense does prevail. Standing behind the adage, "rules are rules" is a little pedantic in this day and age. We are in a different environment now, this rule is redundant, it is no longer relevant.

You made a comparison with another rule, ie if you punch a player, you get punished as you broke a rule. In my opinion, this is a very weak, spurious argument, and it shows a lack of understanding of how rules/laws develop in society or in societal organizations/institutions (ie.g. the GAA). Rules are social constructs that emerge and evolve through time and through changes in the environment and are only valid when there is general acceptance, or an acknowledgment among those affected by the rule, that there is indeed a need for that rule. I imagine, the vast majority of GAA members (possibly 100%) believe that punching a player in the face is wrong and anybody that engages in such behaviour should be duly punished. That is to say, there is a need for a rule governing such behavior. Reading the posts on this thread, it seems that there is not a need for a rule, or GAA members do not accept the rule on punishing clubs for helping other organizations.

"Rules are rules", yes, when they are relevant. This one is not (as is obvious from people's feelings). Let common sense prevail.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 07/05/2010 09:21:53    640315

Rule 42 (Rule 5.1 in the 2009 rulebook)[67] prohibits the use of GAA property for games with interests in conflict with the interests of the GAA referred to by some as "garrison games"[68][69][70] or foreign sports . Current rules state that GAA property may only be used for the purpose or in connection with the playing of games controlled by the association, and shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games other than those sanctioned by Central Council. Sports not considered 'in conflict' with the GAA were permitted.

On 16 April 2005 the GAA's congress voted to temporarily relax its Rule 42 requirement that GAA-owned premises are used by the GAA only. Central Council shall have the power to authorise the use of Croke Park for games, other than those controlled by the Association, during a temporary period with Lansdowne Road Football Ground is closed for the proposed development. At the end of this temporary period the rules shall revert to their pre-Congress 2005 position.


At the time the Irish rugby team trained, rule 42 was relaxed, therefore surely relaxing all other rules in regard to this matter. I can see no problem with what has happened. Maybe the GAA are a little unhappy that this rugby occasion didn't result in a multi million euro windfall for them. . . .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5245 - 07/05/2010 10:31:17    640328

This is a disgrace!!!

Ros2013 (Roscommon) - Posts: 530 - 07/05/2010 10:34:43    640336

the gaa bend their own rules but wont let the clubs, the building blocks of the gaa, do this when theyare already struggling to make money because the gaa will not give out enough grants to them!

God7 (Down) - Posts: 354 - 07/05/2010 10:49:30    640355

Storm in a tea cup which will only be made worse if the GAA impose any sanctions on Nemo for breaking a rule which most people now believe to be needless

hurler in the ditch (Louth) - Posts: 439 - 07/05/2010 15:01:11    640649