omaghredhand

i have been lucky enough and old enough to see my county win football and hurling allirelands. i also know a few
lads that played both for offaly and most said the hurling was the harder and more skillfull game to play.
look everyone loves the game they go and follow . you can't beat a great game of hurling i remember a few years
ago going to watch my club Birr in the club final's you couldn' watch the football after the hurling match.
people beside me from at finals in thurles were from derry, galway, finals in croker people from mayo,cork, dublin,
Armagh they all said to me after matches that the football should have been on first. i often left croker on paddys day
and there was a lot of people left at half time at the football game's. what did the famous boxer say year's ago can't think of his
name now, he seen both football and hurling final's and they asked him which was the best he said hurling he also said he wouldn't
like to be out on the field with out one either, a hurl.

Birrgreat (Offaly) - Posts: 111 - 30/04/2010 11:15:33    634422

I fully agree on that point

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 30/04/2010 11:21:05    634432

Personally, I'd prefer to watch a football game ratehr than a hurling game. Hurling has lots of individual skille, but football is much more sophisticated in terms of tactical skills. But anyhow, why does it matter? They're two very different games that just happen to be run by the same organisation.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 30/04/2010 11:51:49    634486

'We seem to having the better of this debate of late and I think that stooping to his level is not the answer'

Self praise is no praise. I'll simply point to the number of football clubs, the number of people that go to football matches and the number of counties that play football as their number 1 sport as the evidence of the real winner. At least when Hurling clubs vanish one by one around the country as people walk away from this terminally ill sport you can console yourself with the fact that you think you won the debate. I do hope it gives you some crumbs of comfort

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 30/04/2010 15:12:16    634783

Catch
low ground catch
Bat
Strike ground left and right
Strike ground left and right on the turn
Strike left and right
Over the shoulder strike left and right
frees lift and strike left and right
Drop shot left and right
Hook
Block
Solo
hop and solo
Dumby shots
handpass left hand right hand
blcoking a ball coming to you,
first touch, ground, waist height over head
Flick pass long pass strike
timing support play, sidesteps
etc

Rambo (None) - Posts: 109 - 30/04/2010 15:46:07    634833

Now who is debating the poster as opposed to the points? Nobody ever argued that football is not more popular than hurling in some counties. The discussion revolved around the skill set in both sports and undoubtedly hurling has the higher level skill set. The fact that you are unable to dispute this would indicate then that those who espouse the view that hurling is a more skilful sport are in the ascendency. As for self praise, I think you wrote the book on it, but as is apparent throughout the forums you are now accepted for what you are, an unsubtle WUM.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 30/04/2010 15:53:41    634849

pomeroy... what a sad man, child, baby, whatever you are. Hurling is the greatest game on the planet, and just because it hasn't reached your little hole in Tyrone, doesn't mean you should come on here a blast the sport. I believe that I have a uniques insight into hurling and football as having played senior in both Tipperary (both codes) and Tyrone (football). Whilst football is tough, the fitter players do excel. As long as there are a couple of technically gifted forwards, then your team should do fine. Look at Fermanagh a few years ago. Flying fit but no forwards. They could have reached an All-ireland final if they could have managed to kick the ball between the posts. Fitness got them that far. Can you see a fit Fermanagh hurling team progressing. Not a chance without the required skills to go with the fitness.

I love both codes (hence I play both), but it is sad to see the nastyness creep into football. Trying to get players sent off is widespread. Diving and off the ball tackles commonplace. Just take a look at Tommy Walshe in last years all-ireland, when he almost got his head smashed off, Tommy bounced back up and got on with the game. No rolling around, no teammates chasing the ref looking for the red card.

Both great games, but hurling more diffucult to master

Rock & Roll (None) - Posts: 74 - 30/04/2010 15:58:59    634865

Would people please stop saying there is no hurling in Tyrone. As in all counties, there are gaels slogging their guts out against the odds. Instead of indulging WUMs, ask them to at least respect their own county men.

pearsesabu (Antrim) - Posts: 663 - 30/04/2010 16:05:50    634884

'undoubtedly hurling has the higher level skill set'

That is called an opinion. Some people would think Golf is the most skillful sport in the World, some would say F1. In your opinion Hurling requires more skill, in my opinion it doesn't. You can't take an opinion and call it a fact. A fact would be there are many more Football clubs in Ireland that Hurling clubs. A fact would be an overwhelming majority of counties in Ireland play Football as their number 1 sport. A fact would be Gaelic football matches get much higher attendances than Hurling matches. These are facts and have a look at the links if you can't comprehend what I'm saying

http://www.gaainfo.com/articles/gaaclubs.php

http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/c/co/countieshf.gif

In the first link you can barely see the blue dots for the red ones :)

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 30/04/2010 16:17:58    634895

PomeroyPlunkett

Gaelic Football, a mixture of 70/80s Soccer hachett men and dirty Rugby tactics from the amatuer era, cant really expect Tyrone to be able to play Hurling as that would involve keeping your hands to yourself.
Ever watch a Hurling match before a football match then you see how rubbish and boring that Soccer/Rugby mixture is. IF it was played right then it might be a good game but certain counties have dragged it through the **** heap and cant see it improving anytime soon.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 30/04/2010 16:18:54    634896

Pomeroy

The birdie song sold more copies than millions of other songs. Is it better than them? No.

Just because something is more popular means nothing.

It is a fact that there are a greater number of required skills for hurling than football. FACT.

It is a fact that every skill you need in football, you need in hurling. FACT.

Remember Nicky English kicking a goal in hurling. Well you couldn't have Jack O'Shea using a hurl to score a goal in football. FACT.

Name me one skill in football that you can't have in hurling. Catching - required in hurling but more difficult as a smaller ball. Kicking - allowed in hurling but more difficult as a smaller ball. Wrestling, sorry, tackling - required in hurling.

FACT.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 30/04/2010 16:31:37    634912

PomeroyPlunkett, going by your above logic, wouldn't the G.A.A. be best disband, and we all take up soccer, the world's most widely played sport?

Oh, that's a fact by the way: http://books.google.com/books?id=X3lX_LVBaToC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=world%27s+most+popular+team+sport&source=web&ots=ehee9Lr9o1&sig=nyvDhcrPoR8lXhYKE7k4CZYg_qU#v=onepage&q=world%27s%20most%20popular%20team%20sport&f=false

dunbainneman (Meath) - Posts: 36 - 30/04/2010 16:31:59    634913

'It is a fact that there are a greater number of required skills for hurling than football. FACT.'

You see this is where education comes into it. That isn't a fact, it's an opinion. I don't know if you can grasp it but I hope you do

Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

No need to thank me for this little lesson :)

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 30/04/2010 16:38:15    634919

All skills required in football are required in hurling. FACT. Many skills required in hurling not in football such as using a hurl. FACT.

Therefore there are more skills in hurling.

Let me give you a maths lesson.

Football skills 100. Hurling Skills 170. 170>100. FACT.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 30/04/2010 16:46:41    634929

Football will have more players as it easier to play. All you need is a football. Hurling requires 30 hurls, 30 helmet and a sliotar. Thats why theres more football clubs in Ireland. You dont have to be skilled or prepared to play a football game.

highking (Mayo) - Posts: 168 - 30/04/2010 16:55:32    634942

Anyone in the world could kick a football... anyone outside of the republic would struggle to hurl.... ur an idiot if u think football is more skillful

miketyson (Limerick) - Posts: 2748 - 30/04/2010 16:57:18    634943

All the threads comparing hurling and football are stupid. Football is a game (and a very good game when compared to soccer, rugby etc). Hurling is a way of life.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 30/04/2010 17:08:09    634964

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When are we going to stop having Hurling V Football threads? There's more of them on here than there are hurling threads.

It's all so predictable, thread starts, Pomeroy makes inflammatory anti-hurling comment, Hag and Pudders jump in with the age old "hurling is more skillfull" argument, Breffni or some evil "Nordie" jumps in on Pomeroy's side and all the while hurlingspuds or dammon or someone tries to talk some kind of sense and nocky etc. are usually around as well.

Seriously guys I really don't know what to say when I see otherwise intelligent posters involved in arguments that cannot be won. They're both great sports but they simply can't be compared. The most sensible thing Pomeroy has said is that you can't state as FACT (why is that word always in caps?) that one is better than the other.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 30/04/2010 17:56:00    634999

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 705

634895 'undoubtedly hurling has the higher level skill set'

That is called an opinion. Some people would think Golf is the most skillful sport in the World, some would say F1. In your opinion Hurling requires more skill, in my opinion it doesn't. You can't take an opinion and call it a fact. A fact would be there are many more Football clubs in Ireland that Hurling clubs. A fact would be an overwhelming majority of counties in Ireland play Football as their number 1 sport. A fact would be Gaelic football matches get much higher attendances than Hurling matches. These are facts and have a look at the links if you can't comprehend what I'm saying

http://www.gaainfo.com/articles/gaaclubs.php

http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/c/co/countieshf.gif

In the first link you can barely see the blue dots for the red ones :)

Coveniently you fail to mention the yellow dots that represent dual clubs, that appear to be quite sizeable in number. Again, you miss the point. I never suggested that hurling was more popular, but more skilful. As has been pointed out before, my 6 year old daughter can kick, catch and solo a football. She can't balance a sliothar on a hurley nor strike the ball even. As has also been stated, virtually anybody can kick a ball 30 metres or catch a football. As regards attendances, have you any proof that attendances are higher in football. Last year saw almost 50,000 at Munster Hurling final whilst not even 30.000 at football final. Other than the fact that Dublin played in the Leinster final there would have been no more than 30,000 at it. Combined hurling semi final attendances for 2009 was 105,770 whilst the more popular football had 104,262. As for you second link, what is it showing other than a map of Ireland?

Roundball, I appreciate your point, but the topic is not which is better, that is an opinion each person has. The thread was about the skills used and required in hurling as opposed to football. The coaching manuals show that there is more individual skills in hurling. I presume then going by logic as opposed to fact that more skill is required to play hurling

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 30/04/2010 19:47:45    635105

As usual Omagh, your points are all very relevent and well put.

People should not get too hung up on what Pomeroy is saying. He just enjoys the reaction he gets. We should all just ignore anything he has to say about hurling. Omagh has already pointed out that Pomeroy have absolutely nothing to shout about. Their football teams are in the lower regions. They have a concrete jungle as a ground that will never ever be filled. Their biggest employer is, unfortunately, under threat of closure. My God, it even took outsiders to go up to Pomeroy and stop the Orangemen taking over their village.

26plus6equals1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 430 - 30/04/2010 21:14:16    635183