It's funny that many of us have it completely figured out...Pay for Play will not work.

Yet you still think that somehow the GPA/GAA dont realise this... Guy's who's bread and butter is everything GAA, You think that you somehow are in the know and they are not!

Silliness....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/04/2010 14:26:35    633532

Bottom line is that players are getting enough and are well looked after with food, gear, gym, accessories etc. They are lucky to be getting anything without trying to bite off the hand that feeds them.

laflour (Cavan) - Posts: 528 - 29/04/2010 14:26:47    633533

2. Clubs only, no more Inter County

What a ridulas statement.... so is that the way rugby went??? if pay per play the opposite will happen clubs will suffer.
How can a town of say 400 people support a professional team!!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 29/04/2010 14:30:20    633544

Gaa and government should be doing more to ensure that players have jobs.... many have benefitted jobwise from playing Gaa but not all!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 29/04/2010 14:31:26    633549

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That's the key to all of this... The situation invloving the grants needs to be re-opened.. I know for a fact that this will be a key issue for the GPA within the GAA,

Gaelic Games were hit the hardest from the cuts to the Irish sports council! It was almost wiped out for heaven sake... and not a peep from the masses!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/04/2010 14:36:17    633560

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633306 Oggy
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What are you basing that on....


Sorry, I'm not sure precisely what the question is but I am not surprised by the comments. The GPA has always struck me as an aggressive body which had the potential to be a body which would undermine the Gaelic Athletics Association, an amateur sporting organisation. Let those who wish to play professional sports take up soccer or rugby or snooker.

Oggy (Galway) - Posts: 245 - 29/04/2010 14:49:05    633602

HAG, Club only, amateur! It will either be professional at Inter County Level, or there will be only club level left and it will be amateur

not that hard to work out that one.

Mikeynora (Limerick) - Posts: 888 - 29/04/2010 15:07:17    633641

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633602 30:54
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What are you basing that on....


Sorry, I'm not sure precisely what the question is but I am not surprised by the comments. The GPA has always struck me as an aggressive body which had the potential to be a body which would undermine the Gaelic Athletics Association, an amateur sporting organisation. Let those who wish to play professional sports take up soccer or rugby or snooker.


That's just speculation... an opinion of yours.

Let's look at what is really damaging the Gaelic Athletics Association, an amateur sporting organisation.

This amateur ethos is being destroyed at club level... The Grass roots. The local club. So please concentrate on the real issues here... the only form of "pay for play" that ACTUALLY EXISTS (and not just a gut feeling or assumption) within the GAA is going on at Club level. The Grass roots…. The very core of Gaelic Games

The GAA have promised to stamp this out and come down hard on Clubs.... are they right to do this?

It's the very thing; the grass roots - that everyone is afraid will be destroyed if the GAA went pro... that is actually doing the real damage to the amateur ethos... It's farcical!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/04/2010 15:13:39    633653

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633641 HAG, Club only, amateur! It will either be professional at Inter County Level, or there will be only club level left and it will be amateur

not that hard to work out that one.

How about a limit on the amount of group training sessions teams can hold over the course of the championship? Instead of players training like professionals four to six times a week, could we come up with a way of limiting this to three maybe? Demand on the players will be less, so they will not have to miss out as much on family or work committments.

Maybe this would be impossible to implement in some counties, but I'm only thinking from what I've seen in Kildare. Players made train at least three to five times a week with the county and then asked to train with their clubs on off nights.

Quite simply, players are being asked to do too much, to sacrifice too much, with the majority receiving little reward. Maybe instead of looking to reward them financially we could look to lessen the demands and expectations that are placed on them?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 29/04/2010 15:22:10    633667

they train and behave like professionals so pay for play must come

penospotcarey (Kildare) - Posts: 30 - 29/04/2010 15:31:25    633693

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633693 they train and behave like professionals so pay for play must come

That's the problem. Is it fair to have them train and behave like professionals?

Personally I think not, and would rather see the demands on players lowered over pay for play.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 29/04/2010 15:43:27    633718

Seriously people get a grip!!!

Pay for play will NOT happen. It is IMPOSSIBLE!

It doen't matter what anyone has to say....it will never ever ever ever happen. Why are people wasting their time giving out about something that will not or cannot happen?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 29/04/2010 15:53:49    633734

Mikeynora
Well that was clearly stated in you previous post.... If there full professionalism in the gaa i believe that will been that the clubs will be forced to go semi-professional which is no sustainable even with soccer in england with a much bigger population than ireland lower league struggle.

Also I have to make a slight change to one of my points i stated that the gaa would have to support 34 teams well double that to 68 (hurling and football)

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 29/04/2010 16:08:43    633764

"That's the problem. Is it fair to have them train and behave like professionals?"

That's the problem this is not driven by fairness if a team steps up training to a new level then other teams need to step it up to remain competitive.... The gaa's introduction of no county training was a watered down version of trying to combat this..... some players train 12 months of the year

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 29/04/2010 16:30:58    633808

no county training

change to no county training in november!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 29/04/2010 16:39:39    633821

I'm looking forward to a rugby-esque GAA League to rival the official GAA. I hear they'll even have a defined tackle there!!!!

Seriously though, the only way a professional GAA could happen would be by creating 7/8 large city based teams with a salary cap and a named panel of around 25 per season who are paid.

The AFL in Melbourne is the closest successful model:

Melbourne:
Population approx 4 million (Ireland approx 6 million)
AFL CLubs = 8 (not including Geelong which is just outside)
Average size of playing panel is 36

The resources are probably just about there to do it, but we'd still mess it up!!!

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 29/04/2010 16:42:01    633822

A reduction in official training wouldn't solve anything.
Players would just be given more difficult work to do on their own or in pairs so the time spent training may even increase to offset the drop in intensity.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 29/04/2010 16:47:11    633830

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That was not an Official GPA statement. There's no arguing that fact Dell

Ah but they got a player to say to try and take heat of them .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 29/04/2010 17:30:22    633912

yeah he says he would have giving his right hand to get the chance his brother got, then he be using his left hand to thumb a lift...

richiescats (USA) - Posts: 420 - 29/04/2010 18:09:52    633970

And who is going to 'pay' for this play exactly..

69r (Galway) - Posts: 102 - 29/04/2010 18:21:06    633990