'How many times pre 2003 did we beat a team from outside Ulster in the championship?'

What's Tyrone got to do with Galway, I'm asking how the oh so great Joyce can't even help his county win a game outside Connacht in 5 years. It's not even a fair comparison, pre-2001 you didn't have qualifiers which since their introduction have greatly increased your chances of winning games. Although obviously not in Galway's case

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 29/04/2010 14:54:50    633612

Galway team vs New York

1. E. O'Conghaile
2. K. Fitzgerald
3. F. Hanley
4. A. Burke
5. D. Meehan
6. G. O'Donnell
7. D. Burke
8. B. Cullinane
9. N. Coleman
10. G. Sice
11. F. Breathnach
12. J. Bergin
13. E. Concannon
14. Padraic Joyce
15. N. Joyce


So Michael Meehan is still a few weeks away from playing? Is he in the subs? I was going to back him for the top scorer gong, might change it now. Im surprised Matthew Clancy hasnt got a starting place also. It seems another manager has been wooed by the invisible talents of Breathnach. Nice to see Alan Burke back

jafallon (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 29/04/2010 15:06:05    633636

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 688

633612 'How many times pre 2003 did we beat a team from outside Ulster in the championship?'

What's Tyrone got to do with Galway, I'm asking how the oh so great Joyce can't even help his county win a game outside Connacht in 5 years. It's not even a fair comparison, pre-2001 you didn't have qualifiers which since their introduction have greatly increased your chances of winning games. Although obviously not in Galway's case

Well, we had Peter Canavan from early 90's, arguably one of the greatest footballers of all time, yet until 2003 Tyrone had only beaten 1 team from outside Ulster in all this time. Does this mean that Canavan was to blame, much in the same way as Joyce is apparently to blame for Galways failures? Also bear in mind only for the qualifiers, that the answer to my question in Tyrone's case would be 2.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 29/04/2010 15:30:45    633691

I really dont get it when people start saying hes finished hasnt the legs etc....I was reading the forum about aiden o mahony
yesterday and some fool wrote in ,HE HASNT THE PACE ANY MORE,the man is only gone 27.paudric joyce is 33 not 43 he has another good 2 decent seosons yet.
some people seem to think you should retire at 28 29 nowadays

risteard7 (Meath) - Posts: 64 - 29/04/2010 16:02:08    633750

I can't be bothered researching your facts but given your previous posts I take them with a pinch of salt. OmaghRedHand the qualifiers were introduced in 2001. Before then the only way you could play a county outside your province was to win the Provincal title. Since 2001 Galway have been guaranteed the chance to play non-Connacht opposition every year. Despite this this they and Joyce have consistently proved not good enough. Tyrone didn't have this in the 90's. They had to win a very difficult Ulster where 8 teams were fighting tooth and nail to even get the chance to play a non-Ulster team. Since the qualifiers were introduced Tyrone have beat numerous non-Ulster teams. This is why you can't compare the two situations, maybe you should stick to the Hurling

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 29/04/2010 16:58:03    633848

Considering I've played senior football which is something I presume you can't lay claim to have done, I find it mildly humouring that you dictate that I stick to hurling. I'll make it quite clear to you I play hurling because I love playing hurling. I could possibly still play senior football and at the very least reserve which is still a better standard than, junior is it your playing these days? The point I was trying to make, somewhat unsuccessfully it would appear is that one man, no matter how good does not make a team. Maybe its to complicated for you to understand, but bearing in mind you went to the Academy I woud give you the credit that you can think for yourself.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 29/04/2010 17:26:40    633908

No Pomeroy are an intermediate team, again your lack of basic footballing knowledge comes to the fore.I'm well aware that one man doesn't make a team but the supposedly world-class Joyce wasn't even good enough to help Galway beat one non-Connact team in recent years? And this isn't just the Tyrone and Kerry's we're talking about, no it's minnows like Donegal and Westmeath. A world-class player who can't even help his team beat Westmeath, it says it all

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 29/04/2010 17:36:22    633923

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 695

633923 No Pomeroy are an intermediate team, again your lack of basic footballing knowledge comes to the fore.I'm well aware that one man doesn't make a team but the supposedly world-class Joyce wasn't even good enough to help Galway beat one non-Connact team in recent years? And this isn't just the Tyrone and Kerry's we're talking about, no it's minnows like Donegal and Westmeath. A world-class player who can't even help his team beat Westmeath, it says it all

I don't know what division Pomeroy are in because I don't bother about minnows, so I couldn't be bothered to research what division they are in!! Therefore I can't see how it affects my footballing knowledge. He has two All Irelands which he achieved when he had decent players around him. You also seem to forget that Galway hammered Tyrone in the league without Meehan or Joyce and a few others. Donegal hold their own against Tyrone and to my memory beat us last time out. Westmeath also should have beat us last time we played in the championship despite having two men sent off. Matty Forde was top class how come Wexford did not win more? Declan Browne was top class how come Tipp did not win more? Maybe if Pomeroy manage to overcome the might Aughers etc of this world you can talk a bit more about top class inter county footballers

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 29/04/2010 18:13:06    633974

I think the answers on this topic have confirmed that those who know their football appreciate what Joyce has brought to the game.
And maybe he can bring that wealth of experience to the panel this year. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do this year anyway, and if he doesn't get much game time, you can be sure as hell that the lads that do play will listen to what he has to say on the training pitch. What he's achieved in the game demands respect in Galway, and arguably beyond.

This topic has also confirmed that Pomeroy Plunkett is just trying to wind people up. Look beyond it if you can and discuss what the topic is actually about; Joyce carrying on for another year. Can he make an impact? Will he have the legs? Was/is he a great player? All of these questions can be answered without looking to insult Pomeroy.

That's my take on it anyway. And can he make an impact? I think so. A great man to bring on and keep possession if required. Will he have the legs? Doesn't have the same burst of speed he once had but mentally he's still very quick. And was/is he a great player? Yes.

Wests_Awake (Galway) - Posts: 877 - 29/04/2010 18:17:15    633979

Great posting omaghredhand; but a word to the wise: You're talking to someone who's not interested in intelligent discussion. He's only interested in getting the rise out of people, so walk away and ignore the wee man.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 29/04/2010 18:51:55    634031

Ta fhois agam Festinog, Ta fhois agam

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 29/04/2010 19:45:11    634074

Go h-iontach ar fad a chara. Nil fhios agaim cad ata ar suil le mo dhuine; is toigh nach bhfuil mor-an saoil aige.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 29/04/2010 20:11:31    634102

This is the same man who scored 10 points in the 2001 final and 3-45 in 8 matches that year and was footballer of the year. Anyone trying to say the man is not a legend obviously doesnt know their football or is just lookin for the rise

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 29/04/2010 20:11:33    634103

p joyce pure legend.galway will be up there with the best of them this year.

pajosmaigheo (Mayo) - Posts: 24 - 29/04/2010 20:38:45    634130

P joyce is class was and stil is as peter canavan said it dont matter if his not as good as he used to be it wil stil take 2men to keep an eye on him leaveing another 1 free and that makes the diff ,, i wish he had retired from a mayo view but galway and gaa need the likes of joyce and even mayo . its the joy of gaelic football...

dannyone (Mayo) - Posts: 176 - 29/04/2010 21:40:52    634223

Pomeroy you're in a hole of your own making. Stop digging. You look entirely ridiculous at this stage.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 29/04/2010 21:51:39    634242

Joyce is a legend and a gentleman that's all I can say. Great role model for any young fella out there.

ColinWex (Wexford) - Posts: 901 - 30/04/2010 09:12:14    634288

There was talk a while back about PJ relocating to Monaghan next year which created a bit of a stir on the Monaghan page. That tells you how much the man is respected throughout Ireland as one of the most naturally gifted footballers of his generation.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 30/04/2010 10:48:15    634390

You asked at the start was it just you who thinks Padraic Joyce is overrated.

Well you have your answer. It is just you.

JackoDub (Dublin) - Posts: 458 - 30/04/2010 11:17:27    634426

Didn't Paidraig Joyce score 10 point in an all-ireland final against Darren Fay; one of the greatest full backs of his generation??

exiledinkildare (Mayo) - Posts: 47 - 30/04/2010 11:19:53    634429