it has allways been the case for sorting out relegation.you could finish 3rd from bottom in the table on points difference and be relegated.the higher places in the table do not come in to this.
say Monaghan ,Tyrone and Derry all finish on 4 points,Derry have beaten Tyrone but Monaghan have beaten Tyrone and Derry therefor Monaghan stay up as it turns in to a little mini league between these teams only.
dont know about other counties.but Monaghan camp have allways known this,hence taking off all our best players against Derry when the game was safe even though that chances were Derry would out score us for the last 7 minutes.Derry scored the last 4 points.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 11:55:02    600580

hogoboss
County: Monaghan

"say Monaghan ,Tyrone and Derry all finish on 4 points,Derry have beaten Tyrone but Monaghan have beaten Tyrone and Derry therefor Monaghan stay up as it turns in to a little mini league between these teams only"


Hugo, your understanding of things is not correct, head to head only applies where TWO yes TWO teams are involved and not three as described by you in the above.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 27/03/2010 12:12:34    600591

I was getting a bit worried phew!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 27/03/2010 13:35:46    600657

Buford stop coming on here to confuse people as it is clear you havnt an idea what you are talking about.Head to head will apply if Monaghan ,Tyrone and Derry all finish on 4 points.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 13:37:14    600659

and buford,it is not my understanding,it is the rule.dont believe me(still) call GAA on +353 1 8363222 like any normal person would do before making an idiot of them selves on a message board

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 13:40:43    600662

BufordTJustice

Can anyone say with hand on heart that they understood this was the position prior to the start of the National Football & Hurling Leagues

Yes.

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 27/03/2010 14:25:25    600683

Listen,can i make this any simpler.i have confirmed with the GAA that if Monaghan ,Derry and TYrone all finish on 4pts,Monaghan are safe,Tyrone finish bottom because Derry beat them.
end of.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 14:29:42    600689

good man Hogoboss taking the bookies for a few quid. As an aside lads am I right in thinking the Mayo Monaghan match is live on TG4 tomorrow.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1892 - 27/03/2010 15:05:55    600726

Seanie game is on live on TG4.as for the bookies,i dont know.
if we losed both and if either Tyrone or Derry win both,bye bye eur400.but i think its a value bet nothing more.
Ladbrooks didnt know the rule,but neither does Seamus Leonard on RTE as he says Monaghan needs 2 points to stay up.
i cant believe how many people dont know the rules.
what i think will happen is Derry will be relagated on 2pts,Tyrone and Monaghan will finish level on 4 pts,hence Monaghan stay up.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 15:17:46    600746

Hugo going by what your saying it looks like rule 6:22 section C paragraph (I) has now been changed and or ammended to read as follows

Where teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tieS shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:;

Orignial:

(i) Where two teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;

Ammended:

(i) Where ALL teams are involved - the outcome of the meeting of ALL the Teams in the previous game in the Competition

HUGO,you're making an absolute spectacle of yourself not alone on your own county's forum but on the national forum also. You've put down €400 on something you clearly misunderstood and now you're going to all lengths to convince yourself your money is safe.

Bookies never or very rarely make mistakes .

Wise up for Gods sake.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 27/03/2010 15:48:35    600760

yeah i agree with ya I think four points could be enough to stay up huge game this evening with Kerry Tyrone

will be the first time ever I will be cheering the Kingdom on against our Ulster neighbours

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1892 - 27/03/2010 15:56:49    600769

ok buford,put yourself in my shoes.You call GAA after 2 county players tell you it is fact that Monaghan stay up if they finishing joint botom with Tyrone and Derry,
you are shocked as you presumed its points difference.you go on to hoganstand to inform people.
alot of posters and the administrator agree that this is the rule.
after been told to call back,the GAA tell you that it is the case that Monaghan stay up.
if i have missunderstood something,please accept my apology.i am truely sorry for upsetting you to this extend.
but let me worry about my 400 quid.i'll even sent you a tenner as an apology when (if i collect)

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 17:18:47    600827

Some finish by Tyrone tonight we were seconds off being safe from relegation need to beat Mayo tomorrow to stay up as honestly cant see us going down to Kerry and sending them into Division 2 unless the Dubs do us a favour next weekend.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1892 - 27/03/2010 21:30:10    600990

WOW,Seconds away from been safe in div 1 and eur1100 but fair play to Tyrone,they never give up.
Buford,dont feel the need to eat that humble pie as if you were watching Setanta you would have heard that if Tyrone lost they were relegated.
Watched the game in Kiltamagh, Co. Mayo, was talking to Banty afterwards and he confirmed that Monaghan were definately staying up if Kerry won(but what would he know Buford),good nights craic and Mayo people made us feel very welcome.head a bit sore thismorning.
anyway we put together all possible scenarios as you do,and actually think there is a way that Monaghan could make the final but i doubt it.
the most obvious out comes are,
1/if Monaghn win today.....
and beat Kerry,Monaghan are safe.
or lose to kerry and Tyrone beat Dubs,it is points diff beetween Mon,Kerry and TYrone,as all teams beat each other.
2/if Monaghan lose today and beat Kerry and Tyrone beat Dubs,Kerry are gone.
3/if Monaghan lose today,beat Kerry and Dubs beat Tyrone,Kerry are gone as Tyrone beat them.
4/Monaghan lose today and lose to Kerry,Tyrone beat Dubs,Monaghan are gone.
5/Monaghan lose today and to Kerry,Dubs beat Tyrone,Tyrone are gone as Monaghn have beat them.
Derry can even survive as they have beaten Tyrone,but not going there......
anyway well done Tyrone and good luck to the lads today.time for the fry,love sunday mornings away.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 28/03/2010 08:41:29    601021

just arrived at pitch,its quite nice.bloody cold here though.iphone working so will keep updates coming.i must say the Mayo people are a great bunch.(untill 2:30)

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 28/03/2010 14:16:04    601161

Hogoboss,

Good luck with your bet !! I would have done it too if i'd seen it !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/03/2010 14:29:04    601178

was very happy till that goal.on my watch Mayo scored a point 3mins30secs in to 3 mins added time,yet the ref didnt blow for half time?
anyway i have a bad feeling about this as mayo have a savage wind in the 2nd half and Jap looks to be in serious pain.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 28/03/2010 15:17:02    601223

hogo

If I was a Monaghan man I would be totally fuming. There was 3 mins injury time signalled at the end of the first half and the referee played 4 and a half minutes. In the extra minute and a half Mayo scored 1 - 1. That is the difference between winning and losing. Who controls the timekeeping? Monagham largely controlled that first half. Mayo are a bad football side and won't be anywhere near SAM this year I gaurantee. They are soft.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 28/03/2010 15:25:57    601237

fingers crossed the wind will do the job then

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 28/03/2010 15:30:49    601245

If the correct time had been played at the end of the first half this game would be over. It should now be 13 points to 3 but is 13 points to 1 -4.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 28/03/2010 15:34:35    601251