If Derry and Tyrone get beaten on Saturday night I think it means that Monaghan are officially safe without kicking a ball given that Monaghan have beaten both teams. Is this so??
If it is I think a trip down to Ladbrokes is a must.
Actually all other counties would be safe also.

redmon (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 24/03/2010 12:00:37    597245

Score difference will decide who goes down if a number of teams finish level on points. Who beat who does not come into it and therefore it is irrelevant.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 24/03/2010 12:31:09    597283

They will probably stay up and thats the most they could have hoped for at the start of the league. If they ever want to win a league title they will have to get relegated to division 2 and hope for the best there

zidane (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 24/03/2010 13:16:38    597334

Even if both our Ulster cousins got beaten, Monaghan would not be safe, they would need a point from their last two matches away to Kerry & Mayo, therefore it is all to play for still and Monaghan are second favourites to go down after Derry according to Ladbrokes.

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 24/03/2010 13:49:53    597371

zidane
County: Galway
Posts: 170

597334 They will probably stay up and thats the most they could have hoped for at the start of the league. If they ever want to win a league title they will have to get relegated to division 2 and hope for the best there

Been there done that. 2005.

Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 754 - 24/03/2010 14:21:29    597405

Zidane,

They've won the NFL Division One since Galway last won it. They were in last year's Division 2 final. So less of the dismissive comments Zinedine.

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 24/03/2010 17:23:03    597681

i think they will go down personally..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 24/03/2010 17:26:00    597684

I believe wel go down with derry...
Cant see us winning in mayo or kerry!

Lofty (Monaghan) - Posts: 727 - 24/03/2010 17:45:46    597708

PearseBro
County: Monaghan
Posts: 232

597371 Even if both our Ulster cousins got beaten, Monaghan would not be safe, they would need a point from their last two matches away to Kerry & Mayo, therefore it is all to play for still and Monaghan are second favourites to go down after Derry according to Ladbrokes.

Sorry PearseBro your wrong on this one if both Tyrone and Derry lose at the weekend we are safe even if we dont win another point as the best they could do either of them is get to four points same as what we have and its games played between teams who finish on equal points which determines final placings.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1892 - 24/03/2010 18:07:02    597743

seanie08
County: Monaghan
Posts: 184

Sorry PearseBro your wrong on this one if both Tyrone and Derry lose at the weekend we are safe even if we dont win another point as the best they could do either of them is get to four points same as what we have and its games played between teams who finish on equal points which determines final placings.

seanie08

Your talking balderdash. Why isn't Galway above Monaghan and Derry above Tyrone in the table right now if that's the case? oh yeh that will only happen at the end if they're level on points at that stage. Galway will automatically leap frog over Monaghan even though Monaghan may have a far superior score difference. Lets say neither Galway or Monaghan secure any more points and Monaghan finish third from bottom and Galway finish second from bottom Monaghan will be relegated by virtue of the fact Galway beat them.

Nonsense

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 24/03/2010 20:30:51    597881

rule 6.22 of Treoir Oifigiuil 2009

(c) Where teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

(i) Where two teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For);

(iii) Highest Total Score For;

(iv) A Play-Off

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 25/03/2010 12:45:47    598333

Tomás Tralee
County: Kerry
Posts: 359

598333 rule 6.22 of Treoir Oifigiuil 2009

(c) Where teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

(i) Where two teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For);

(iii) Highest Total Score For;

(iv) A Play-Off


Thomàs

What competition do the above provisions relate to ?.Also kindly provide the link that confirms the above relates to the 2010 NFL and NHL.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 25/03/2010 13:32:13    598403

Would be great to see Monaghan stay up ahead of Tyrone, Derry and even Kerry.

Informer (None) - Posts: 185 - 25/03/2010 14:04:00    598451

If two teams are level on points in the final league table, results between the two sides will be used to determine placing before points difference is used. If you check out the current NFL tables you will see that Derry sit above Tyrone at the foot of Division 1 because of their head to head record. The same applies to the bottom of Division 3 with Fermanagh above Roscommon due to their win over the Connacht side.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 535 - 25/03/2010 17:28:03    598874

Monaghan are not safe as yet if tyrone win sat nite monaghan are back in trouble as for derry what has happened since the first game?

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 25/03/2010 17:33:46    598886

Tough one this. Whilst it does seem to say in Treoir Oifigiuil that this basis exists, it does seen to exclude the NFL from this provision in another part of the guide. It does make sense though as point difference in the league should not in my view be a determinant when there are only 8 teams and 7 matches.

I'd love to see some official confirmation on this either way.

Following the administrator's logic, should Galway not be above Monaghan in the league table, as Kerry beat Galway and Galway beat Monaghan ???

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 26/03/2010 18:29:53    600254

PearseBro,

No i dont think so because the Administrator said it was if two teams are level but there are three teams (Monaghan Galway and Kerry) all on four points.

Omen (Monaghan) - Posts: 205 - 26/03/2010 19:15:32    600312

BufordTJustice
County: USA
Posts: 58

597881 seanie08
County: Monaghan
Posts: 184

Sorry PearseBro your wrong on this one if both Tyrone and Derry lose at the weekend we are safe even if we dont win another point as the best they could do either of them is get to four points same as what we have and its games played between teams who finish on equal points which determines final placings.

seanie08

Your talking balderdash. Why isn't Galway above Monaghan and Derry above Tyrone in the table right now if that's the case? oh yeh that will only happen at the end if they're level on points at that stage. Galway will automatically leap frog over Monaghan even though Monaghan may have a far superior score difference. Lets say neither Galway or Monaghan secure any more points and Monaghan finish third from bottom and Galway finish second from bottom Monaghan will be relegated by virtue of the fact Galway beat them.

Nonsense

ok point taken but it looks to me now that results from head to heads will only come in play as a determining factor on who goes down when there are two teams on level points otherwise its scoring difference. If Tyrone and Monaghan are the only teams to finish on four points and Derry stay bottom on two then Monaghan stay up as they beat Tyrone.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1892 - 26/03/2010 19:42:34    600342

lads ,lads ,lads ,head to head comes first for relegation.FACT.
Monaghan need 1 point to gaurentee safety.FACT
If Tyrone and Derry lose tonight ,Monaghan are safe.FACT

i have been saying this on our own board all week,but for some reason no-one believes it.
i have also had eur400 on Tyrone to go down at 7/4 with ladbrooks as they thought it was points difference.
if Tyrone win both game and we losed both games,well ive lost 400 quid and fair play to them,but i think its a blooper by ladbrooks and i couldnt resist.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 27/03/2010 08:12:37    600487

Has this been the position from the start of the leagues ?. Because if it has then many counties would appear to have been oblivious to it. Also no later than the other day the Hoganstand home page had in fact Tyrone above Derry in their league table standings so they like many others were equally unaware of this.

This development imo has some similarities to the FIFA seeding debacle for the world cup qualifiers. Can anyone say with hand on heart that they understood this was the position prior to the start of the National Football & Hurling Leagues,I certainly didn't know it and I apologize to anyone I may have mislead with any of my posts on the matter.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 27/03/2010 11:06:02    600539