nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 1568

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Are the dissidents not the people dealing the drugs lads?


Both of them? That's why there is a current shortage.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 24/02/2010 20:48:44    572474

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10180

572442 paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2257

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The IRA never did drugs or never will i believe but however the INLA did drugs and still do so there is a bit of facts for you . ........... I remember the IRA giving 50 names to the evening hearald of drug dealers who were on their list to be dealt with if thet did not stop drug dealing.. But i believe these people once they came to an agreement with the IRA were allowed to carry on for a percentage of what they were earning....

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 24/02/2010 20:53:42    572485

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2946

Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery
Murder of Gardai


Accused for some of these but nobody knows true or not .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 20:54:37    572487

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2946

572472 24/02/2010 20:27:52
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10180

572442 paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2257

572365


The IRA never did drugs or never will i believe but however the INLA did drugs and still do so there is a bit of facts for you .
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Never ? If you say so

What about

Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery


Would these be on going ?

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 24/02/2010 20:56:09    572489

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 7216

572467 derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 996


I have been trying to get it posted that Operation Motorman was in july 1972 to end the no go areas in Derry and Belfast. I am not sure that motorman was in belfast but certainly was the codename for the Derry operation


I spent most of that summer in donegal, playing music, busking and whatever.

However we were totally skint and decided to come home for a while, hitch hiking, and got stuck in Derry City. My da was from there so I have many relatives there.

It was motorman. My mate and I must have been the only yound males in the city, everyone else had fled to Donegal.

I know Motorman was the codename for the derry op. I am not sure that the corresponding operation in Belfast was also called Motorman.
By the way when you said that you were in the army in 69 was that the salvation army or did you and the brits exchange a few in Derry in 72 and the ould memory is now a bit addled

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/02/2010 20:57:50    572491

derryman.
i appreciate what u posted above , and also knew , but got a bit sidetracked.
u are right about the provosionals, they in my view never attributed to any breakdown in talks.
but if roadblocks were set up by nationalists in the way , the unionists brought the province 2 standstill.
we would have been cannon fodder.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 24/02/2010 21:00:36    572495

I am not taking sides with Dell or the IRA but I am more than a little bit skeptical about Th IRAs involvement in th Northern Bank raid.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/02/2010 21:01:38    572496

24/02/2010 20:54:37
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10181

572487
ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2946

Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery
Murder of Gardai


Accused for some of these but nobody knows true or not .
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Yet you are absolutely sure they never dealt drugs. Also I think IRA members were actually found guilty in courts of law of some of those crimes.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 24/02/2010 21:04:15    572503

24/02/2010 21:04:15
nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 1569


Yet you are absolutely sure they never dealt drugs. Also I think IRA members were actually found guilty in courts of law of some of those crimes.
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Some ?

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 24/02/2010 21:09:16    572514

dell i think now u better claim the fith amendment , dear old brother.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 24/02/2010 21:13:33    572521

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10181

572464 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5024


If my child needs a clip i will do it and it would be nothing to do with you or anyone now can we back to the topic please.

your backtracking dell, A good beating, YOUR WORDS, to a child is Child abuse and is indeed the business of everyone in a civilised society whether you like it or not.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 24/02/2010 21:13:37    572522

nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 1569

572503
24/02/2010 20:54:37
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10181

572487
ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2946

Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery
Murder of Gardai


Nocky i seriously think they robbed no banks . And where they where not convicted of murdering the gardai i thought INLA members where jailed for that could be wrong the rest has not been proven .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 21:14:38    572525

24/02/2010 21:09:16
ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2948

572514
24/02/2010 21:04:15
nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 1569


Yet you are absolutely sure they never dealt drugs. Also I think IRA members were actually found guilty in courts of law of some of those crimes.
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Some ?
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I'm not sure about the counterfeit CD's rua, but I wouldn't put it past them!

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 24/02/2010 21:19:57    572537

i am totallyagainst drug dealing, anyone regardless of their background should not be immune.
but do not come on here lads , and tell me , that the highs of this society in authority do not peddle , it goes right 2 the top.
thats why peddling goes 2 the degree it does, otherwise it would not succed otherwise.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 24/02/2010 21:20:25    572539

24/02/2010 19:35:16
patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 7219

572367 omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1413

571836


Now I wouldn't be one for one upmanship but as part of my MASTERS in Irish Studies we did Social Policy and looked at the question of state crime, such as "shoot to kill" policy.

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Did'nt make it to University myself but I was a keen fan of Both Rumpole and Cracker.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 24/02/2010 21:25:26    572546

24/02/2010 21:19:57
nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 1571

I'm not sure about the counterfeit CD's rua, but I wouldn't put it past them!
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Clogher market Nocky on the cavan/Fermanagh/Monaghan border - I could be wrong but wouldn't have thought it was a haven for the LVF.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 24/02/2010 21:28:51    572550

Omaghredhand,

While i agree with some of your post i cannot fathom how a law graduate can agree with the manner some of these people policed their areas !! Please address the following :-

1. Why have these same people not punished the people who murdered Paul Quinn or even informed the authorities who they were.?
2. Why was none of the members of their own families given beatings for criminal behaviour during the troubles ?
3. Why were the murderers of Robert McCartney not dealt with by the Republican organisation they belonged to or handed over to the police ?
4. What was done about Gerry Adams brother who is alleged to have abused his daughter ?

I am as much a republican as anyone else and i want to see my country united and becoming a 32 county republic but i cannot stand double standards and while we have decommissioned the guns and explosives the MINDS of some of the psychopathic individuals cannot be decommissioned and that is why we have people still being beaten and shot. I have many more questions about the type of policing we need and the way it should be done but the likes of the policing you mentioned in your post we can do without. I am aware of many incidents of punishment beatings where the sons of the people doing the beating were just as guilty as those who received the beating but were spared. The policing issue is the most important thing at the moment and needs to be sorted. Ireland has been cursed by its History. It was always taboo to inform because of the damage it caused the Republican movement down the years but now we will all just have to bite the bullet and let the legitimate police forces do their job with our help. Whether we like it or not we are one with the police and have to support them because they cannot do their job for us without our help. I have being explaining this to Finglas Full Ba for some time. To fix our society we all must be on the same side !! We need to get the guns and the baseball bats out of society and see impartial policing. The war is over and we should all move on together !!

The biggest drawback to policing in the North was the mistrust of the R.U.C. and U.D.R. during the troubles because of their pro Unionist stance and their collusion with Loyalist death squads. It is going to be hard but we have to change this from the inside by encouraging young Catholics to join. You will never have a perfect police force anywhere but it should be as good as possible and can only be so if the public take part in an active and healthy way the way Sinn Fein are now doing in many areas. We have to move on !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/02/2010 21:31:03    572554

ruanua
County: Donegal
Did'nt make it to University myself but I was a keen fan of Both Rumpole and Cracker

Well I Did -------------------4 times when my weans graduated

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/02/2010 21:32:41    572559

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10183

572525 nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 1569

572503
24/02/2010 20:54:37
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10181

572487
ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2946

Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery
Murder of Gardai


Nocky i seriously think they robbed no banks . And where they where not convicted of murdering the gardai i thought INLA members where jailed for that could be wrong the rest has not been proven .

Dell show a bit of respect. One of the most famous cases was the murder of Garda Jerry McCabe which happened while they were robbing a post office.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/jerry-mccabe-killers-to-be-released-from-prison-today-1850983.html

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 24/02/2010 21:33:21    572560

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10184



Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery
Murder of Gardai


Nocky i seriously think they robbed no banks . And where they where not convicted of murdering the gardai i thought INLA members where jailed for that could be wrong the rest has not been proven .

Who needs proof, aren't you all in favour of rounding people up and locking them away for good

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 24/02/2010 21:35:59    572565