dhorse
County: Laois
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When soneone gets a bad beating that means they already have been warned by a small beating so they did not learn from that .


ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2941

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Poeple do not get punishment beatings for nothing ya know as they would have to do something to get one . And law means nothing to me i was up in court bout year ago as a doorman been a witness to someone assaulting someone else this person had 42 previous convictions and got off with a fine and suspended sentance now that to me is a joke and i believe he got bad beating few months later so he deserved it.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 19:22:47    572352

if you know of a crime that has been committed please report it dell

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 24/02/2010 19:30:07    572359

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
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572352 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5018

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When soneone gets a bad beating that means they already have been warned by a small beating so they did not learn from that .


ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2941

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Poeple do not get punishment beatings for nothing ya know as they would have to do something to get one . And law means nothing to me i was up in court bout year ago as a doorman been a witness to someone assaulting someone else this person had 42 previous convictions and got off with a fine and suspended sentance now that to me is a joke and i believe he got bad beating few months later so he deserved it.

Dell whats your view on guys who get a "Punishment beating" for selling drugs in a patch belonging to the "IRA" or a guy who gets a punishment beating for refusing to give the "IRA" there cut. Drugs sales, dodgy diesels/petrol, extortion, all these funded the IRA why dont they give punishment beatings to themselfs. There is an apt word to describe the IRA and its S**m.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 24/02/2010 19:34:20    572365

omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1413

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Now I wouldn't be one for one upmanship but as part of my MASTERS in Irish Studies we did Social Policy and looked at the question of state crime, such as "shoot to kill" policy.

To cut to the chase the "terrorists" can be expected to do terrible things because they are terrorists. The state however is supposed to represent democracy and fair play, so the state stooping to shoot to kill or good beatings or whatever has to be completely wrong.

The only message that would send out to people involved in violence or anti-social crime is that violence paid.

So if the Garda adopted a "shoot to kill" policy for drug gangs in Limerick and elsewhere, I would expect dell and many others to be on here condemning this approach, as I know they opposed the same policy in the North.

Please no-one bother to answer that it is a different situation. State sponsored murder is state sponsored murder, full stop.

So Omagh, I expect you and your fellow students will come up with a similar answer, even though the idea of "an eye for an eye" can be appealing.

But it leads to anarchy.

Good luck with the studies.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 24/02/2010 19:35:16    572367

derryman.
accept my siincere apologys and anyone else who read my last post.
i got caught up with my emotions and got the internment/ and sunningdale mixed up.
i really am sorry .
by the way i do speak from the heart , and i also get a bit heated , i mean no disrespect 2 th e dublin posters last nite if i offended u then i am sorry.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 24/02/2010 19:35:30    572368

24/02/2010 19:22:47
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
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572352 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5018

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When soneone gets a bad beating that means they already have been warned by a small beating so they did not learn from that .


ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 2941

572250


Poeple do not get punishment beatings for nothing ya know as they would have to do something to get one . And law means nothing to me i was up in court bout year ago as a doorman been a witness to someone assaulting someone else this person had 42 previous convictions and got off with a fine and suspended sentance now that to me is a joke and i believe he got bad beating few months later so he deserved it.
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Of course they don't get beatings for nothing I would imagine that the guy who got shot in Derry last month because he ran a head shop was shot for a reason and that reason was competition.

I agree it is ridiculous that there are numerous people with dozens of convictions walking the streets but can that not be cured through a proper justice system?
e.g Three offences and put them down the salt mines in a chain gang for life might be extreme but once that was the democratically agreed position and the rules were fairly and consistently applied with the defendant offered a fair trial and presumption of innocence then that would transparent.

Once the punishment is in the hands of an undocumented system then its application will only serve the interests of the enforcer. That agenda is usually at conflict with the creation of a safe and democratic society.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 24/02/2010 19:39:16    572373

hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 1266

572359 if you know of a crime that has been committed please report it dell


I reported many crimes that happens in our estate but stopped because the law does not stop these vandals etc . So the poeple that come in to hand out these beatings fair play to them because someone has to stop them and it is not the courts .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 19:41:47    572376

tomaoo7
County: Dublin
Posts: 5122

572343 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5018

572029 tomaoo7
County: Dublin
Posts: 5121

Its amazing how they react when you agree with them, of course when you dont you know nothing about politics, sure how would you, being a free stater that has not suffered being sold out.

The bomb in Newry was probably part of a British/Unionist plot to discredit Nationalists .................Because when push comes to shove they don't have the answers to back up their arguement...Could it be similar to the same British/Unionist plot that brought down sunningdale......Dhorse ? What is the difference between a Dissident and a Republican

How many nationalists are republicans

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 24/02/2010 19:42:32    572379

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1065

572297 dhorse.
we we we. the nationalists in the north. dhorse .
i hope this helps.

Every little helps. were you fighting yourself?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 24/02/2010 19:43:36    572381

What about those who defraud the Irish state with their criminal activities, e.g. diesel laundering? Should they receive punishment beatings? Or is this just another conspiracy against dissident republicans?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 24/02/2010 19:43:39    572382

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10172

572352 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5018

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When soneone gets a bad beating that means they already have been warned by a small beating so they did not learn from that .

I was thinking more in terms of Childbeating, its called child abuse.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 24/02/2010 19:45:28    572383

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5022

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What you on about child abuse ?

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 20:18:04    572426

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1066

572368 derryman.
accept my siincere apologys and anyone else who read my last post.
i got caught up with my emotions and got the internment/ and sunningdale mixed up.
i really am sorry .

I am not offended.
I have been trying to get it posted that Operation Motorman was in july 1972 to end the no go areas in Derry and Belfast. I am not sure that motorman was in belfast but certainly was the codename for the Derry operation. The Sunningdale agreement was December 73 and the Ulster workers strike was in I think April or May of 74 and that brought the agreement down . The Sinn Fein party did boycott the elections at the time, I am not aware that the provisional IRA took any action that can be directly attributed to bringing down the Agreement

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/02/2010 20:22:10    572435

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2257

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The IRA never did drugs or never will i believe but however the INLA did drugs and still do so there is a bit of facts for you .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 20:27:52    572442

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10177

572426 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5022



What you on about child abuse ?


Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 101


If my child was hanging around with the wrong crowd i would give them a good beating my self and stop them hanging around with bad groups.

Beating a child, even your own is child abuse, believe it or not.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 24/02/2010 20:28:56    572447

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10178

572442
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2257

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The IRA never did drugs or never will i believe but however the INLA did drugs and still do so there is a bit of facts for you .


Well they certainly sold me a lot, the IRA that is, and also the UDA. And seeing as you know nothing about drugs, and never bought any, how would you know who sells them?

It is true that by and large rather than actually sell thedrugs, and be accused of being anti-social, the IRA would simply "sell" licenses to the dealers and take a cut.

But dell, I am more interested on your opinion on this.

A number of doormen have been shot by paramilitaries in Northern Ireland as vigilante justice. Someone gets hit, tells the "boys" he did nothing, the boys shoot the doorman.

Do you support this policy?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 24/02/2010 20:42:46    572462

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5024


If my child needs a clip i will do it and it would be nothing to do with you or anyone now can we back to the topic please.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 24/02/2010 20:43:49    572464

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 996


I have been trying to get it posted that Operation Motorman was in july 1972 to end the no go areas in Derry and Belfast. I am not sure that motorman was in belfast but certainly was the codename for the Derry operation


I spent most of that summer in donegal, playing music, busking and whatever.

However we were totally skint and decided to come home for a while, hitch hiking, and got stuck in Derry City. My da was from there so I have many relatives there.

It was motorman. My mate and I must have been the only yound males in the city, everyone else had fled to Donegal.

Fortunately the Brits were quite nice, realising that we were alleged drug smoking musicians, so things were not too bad.

And of course, the "war" ended on 29th may 1972 with the declaration of the ceasefire.

For some LOL

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 24/02/2010 20:47:03    572467

24/02/2010 20:27:52
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10180

572442 paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2257

572365


The IRA never did drugs or never will i believe but however the INLA did drugs and still do so there is a bit of facts for you .
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Never ? If you say so

What about

Fuel smuggling
Brothel Keeping
Illegal Alchohol
Counterfit CD's
Extortion
bank Robbery
Murder of Gardai

etc etc ??

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 24/02/2010 20:48:04    572472

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 7214
Well they certainly sold me a lot, the IRA that is, and also the UDA.

Does that sort of explain why your posts are always spaced out.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/02/2010 20:48:25    572473