Alcohol abuse was and is high in this country but that wont be banned, cop on and dont be asking stupid questions.

With that comment RossieLassie you effectively show that there is no point in discussing this subject with you.

BatigolStatue (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 19/02/2010 15:53:35    567173

Batigolestatue you have it in one. If we banned cigarrettes imagine the amount of dealers that would sell dodgey cigarettes with even worse chemicals that are already in them. More people would die as a result of unregulated cigarettes. Dealers would become powerful and thousands of euro's would be lost to the tax man. There always be a black market for drink drugs and cigarettes but as long as all 3 remain legal, the majority of people would purchase legally which is safer in the long run.

Legan4life (Longford) - Posts: 209 - 19/02/2010 15:53:47    567175

I really dont think there is any other way to look at it Longford.
Delboy has said that he will always be against these sort of things and that is completely fair. Everyone is entitled to their opinions etc etc. But society cant stand still where it is now. We arent the end-point of evolution. We must continue to evolve and develop and people like Delboy will have to be left out of the decision making process because they dont want to even consider change. Change isnt bad people. And where we stand now with the drug issue is that we have a complete mess that needs clearing up.
People need to forget what their parents have said about drugs or what they have heard on tv. Their parents, as were mine, were ill-educated on the subject. The tv tells you they are bad because they arent being taxed. Simple as. Budweiser ads are on tv because when you buy a pint of budweiser the State gets a cut. But if you drink 10 pints of budweiser a day for 10 years you wont be in great shape will you?

BatigolStatue (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 19/02/2010 16:04:48    567206

BatigolStatue
County: Mayo
Posts: 180


I understand what your saying Batigol in relation to a legal/illegal substance being dangerous, but there must be something up if alcohol is legal and less harmful subastances(marijuana as you say) is illegal. The governement wouldnt ban something for no reason and let something more harmful be legalized.
In relation to the banning of nicotine/alcohol, the government(well British Gvt anyways) has made steps(albeit small) to try and prevent more people from smoking, by increasing the legal age from 16 til 18 and introduce pictures on cigarettes showing the long-term effects of smoking. In relation to drinking they've considered raising the legal age on this too and they have already increased the price per pint. I know its not cut it out but it a small step towards it.
As was mentioned earlier, yes you will always find the eejits that over-doses on both and it will only be their own fault whatever consequences they suffer, and the legalisation of all drugs(including cigs and alcohol) may be good economically for the countries around the world, but the mixing of drink and drugs is very dangerous(could be wrong) and would lead to more deaths than we see now?

Plastic Paddy (Tyrone) - Posts: 664 - 19/02/2010 16:10:35    567213

Yes but Paddy legalising drugs isnt going to make more people take them. People will take drugs whether they are legal or illegal. Tonight in the local hotspot in whatever place your from there willbe many people mixing alcohol and drugs. Making one illegal really doesnt matter. It is very easy to find a dealer these days. But remove the dealer and at least you are part of the way to solving it. Proper scientific labels can be put on the packets containing the drugs. They will be sold from licensed premises ala alcohol. It will be illegal to sell them to drunk or intoxicated people and underage people.
If there are shops selling drugs legally then there will be no dealers. These Head Shops were only selling a substitute for coke, ecstasy etc and they have driven dealers into committing arson. Imagine what would happen if they were selling the real deal but only in its purest form? There would be no more dealers plain and simple.

As to your point about there must be less wrong with alcohol than drugs as one is illegal and the other isnt. I urge you to do some research on this paddy and you will see that marijuana for instance was banned for political reasons. Not health or social or mental health reasons. Political reasons. They banned alcohol during the prohibition too in America. Does that mean for a little while alcohol was more dangerous?
I honestly mean it Paddy. Have a look into it, wont take you long and you may be shocked at how arbitrary the ban on drugs was.

BatigolStatue (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 19/02/2010 16:41:32    567267

As simple as I can...........

To those who demonise the, legal, Head Shops (Dell, Orlaith, Rossielassie et al):

If you think that these shops are dangerous and should be closed forever in the morning then you must also agree that every pub and off licence should be closed forever in the morning also.

If you do not agree with whats above than you are being hypocritical.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 19/02/2010 16:53:24    567284

fully agree with BatigolStatue, jimbo and nocky but i fthink you are wasting your time. Reason, logic and common sense dont register with the 'drugs are bad' plebs

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 19/02/2010 18:13:04    567377

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10086
Dellboypolecat:


Drink is not illegal only for the underage but am sure you know that.



AND NEITHER ARE THESE SHOPS!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you honestly believe that a shop in the main street in Belfast has been openly selling illegal drugs for the last 20 years?

Now, as an illegal drug user, I can tell you. You have a better chance of getting a deal from the local ice cream van than these shops. Ice cream vans are a very good source.

Because the shops are legal, they don't sell illegal drugs.

Any one else can, and does.

And as EVERYONE is saying there are more car accidents, murders, rapes, broken homes and marriages because of ALCOHOL than all the rest put together.

Heroin appears to be awful, but why lump all drugs together like a non thinking fool? I can see that many people drink alcohol in moderation, despite the tragedy caused by drink.

Why can you not allow that people could take drugs in moderation?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 19/02/2010 19:29:47    567503

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 7127


Becaue they are illegal maybe?

itsgreenandgold (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 20/02/2010 12:15:39    567730

Its proven that drugs do more damage to the human body compared to alcohol.

Orlaith (Derry) - Posts: 4282 - 20/02/2010 12:37:46    567753

Orlaith
County: Derry
Posts: 2637

567753 Its proven that drugs do more damage to the human body compared to alcohol.

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Alcohol is a drug and it causes more pain and misery in this country than anything else.

Qualify your above statement. Some illegal drugs are more dangerous than alcohol, although some are not as dangerous at all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 20/02/2010 12:52:30    567774

20/02/2010 12:37:46
Orlaith
County: Derry
Posts: 2640

567753
Its proven that drugs do more damage to the human body compared to alcohol.
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Orlaith, drugs is a very broad term. Alcohol is a drug, for example. So is caffeine. So is aspirin. Are you saying caffeine and aspirin are more damaging to the human body than alcohol?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 20/02/2010 13:01:30    567787

i love my drink

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 20/02/2010 13:18:25    567807

Orlaith
County: Derry
Posts: 2641

567753
Its proven that drugs do more damage to the human body compared to alcohol.


Orlaith, if we are talking about say valium, I might agree with you.

Valium is a mind blowing, highly addictive drug. The withdrawal symptoms are something to behold.

Valium however is LEGAL.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/02/2010 13:27:58    567819

Orlaith- would you care to back your last statement up with some factual evidence please? interestingly enough our a&e departments are full every weekend with alchohol related injuries, numbers are also up in recent years for cardiac problems directly related to cocaine misuse, as for cannabis or esctacy the numbers are minimal to say the least. draw your own conclusions.

Down follower (Down) - Posts: 193 - 20/02/2010 13:38:14    567829