Okay rossielassie, since you are too lazy to actually read the Drugs thread yourself I will pick out one of your ridiculous ill informed arguments....

You said: "How is it an improvement, because they are in a building with a shop sign, rather than in an alleyway, or in a carpark or whatever?"

Quote from CavanSlasher (not a drug taker himself I don't think) on Drugs thread "Another thing about the illegal drugs is that they do not come in a packet with a list of ingredients like legalised drugs do. You don't know what you are putting into your system when you take coke, e's or heroin and many other illegal drugs and you don't know the condition of the back-street lab either !!" In other words, legalising drugs means they would only be sold in their purest form, not cut with other dangerous, poisinous substances.

Quote from bad.monkey: Discussing 'drugs' is difficult because the term is so general, it incompases everything from caffine to heroin. It is ridiculous to have substances like marijuana illegal. Many of the health problems associated with it come from the very fact that it is illegal and mixed with tar and diesel etc etc. It should of course be legalised taxed and regulated............

............Alot of young people are going to smoke marijuana whether their parents want them to or not. If my children were going to do this I would much rather he/she could go to shop and buy clean grass/hashish instead of having to go to some back street drug dealer who would also push harder drugs like cocaine and heroin on them as is the situation a present.

Please actually take the time to read other people's posts before coming out with with your ill-informed rants. Only when you open your mind to the opinions and ideas of others can you actually take part in this debate in any meaningful way.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 17/02/2010 21:10:05    564998

Admin...

We're losing the debate on the "Drugs" Thread

I would suggest moving this to the Drugs thread... we have two debates crossing over on the same topic

What dya reckon?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2010 21:58:08    565073

17/02/2010 21:02:31
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they sell animal medicines
for example morphine is a legal drug in its legal form but cannot be sold on a non prescription basis
however if you buy a tablet for a cow you don't need a prescription hence the loophole

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 17/02/2010 22:01:37    565084

jimbodub
County: Dublin
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565073 Admin...

We're losing the debate on the "Drugs" Thread

I would suggest moving this to the Drugs thread... we have two debates crossing over on the same topic

What dya reckon?


Admin... you're as consistent as a Gaelic Games Ref! ;)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/02/2010 09:59:47    565136

3 reasons why headshops are good.
1. Creates Jobs
2. Decreases the drug dealers business .
3. It's hard to beat the legal high !

On a serious note , there should be stricter regulation of headshops. I've experimented with the real stuff in the past and it is alot stronger than the products in these shops. I know it's not great to be using legal drugs, but sensible usage isn't bad. We're allowed drink aren't we?? If the Head shops reduce the numbers buying the dangerous street drugs, which are totally unsafe , then this can only be a good thing.

Legan4life (Longford) - Posts: 209 - 18/02/2010 11:41:08    565263

It all comes down to the fact that people who take drugs are lacking in some other part of their lives !! Everyone should see a shrink !!

Some facts :-

1. Illegal drugs are banned because they have been tried and tested and found to be dangerous.
2. They do not carry a list of ingredients like legal drugs do.
3. Head shops will have many of their products banned shortly because they do contain banned substances.
4. Head shop drugs are constantly being tweaked to flout the law.
5. The medical profession recommend that these substances be banned because of their harmful side-effects.
6. Young people are easily led and think that the drugs in the Head Shops are harmless because they are being sold openly.
7. Head Shop drugs have led to deaths.
8. Alcohol and nicotine have led to deaths too.
9. This country has far too many alcoholics and drug addicted for its size.
10. Moderation is the key to most things !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/02/2010 12:04:52    565309

Slasher I agree with the moderation, but do you not think it would be better to use headshops than drug dealers?

Legan4life (Longford) - Posts: 209 - 18/02/2010 12:19:11    565331

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Aspirin can cause harmful side effects! Most Pharmaceutical drugs can cause side effects.... sometime deadly side effects!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/02/2010 12:29:37    565361

Well i would trust the doctors opinion and considering that they think many of these drugs should be banned...
Until we all have medical degrees it wont be up to us

itsgreenandgold (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 18/02/2010 12:44:48    565398

How di they get the name HEAD SHOPS?

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 18/02/2010 12:50:59    565411

Some facts :-

1. Illegal drugs are banned because they have been tried and tested and found to be dangerous.
2. They do not carry a list of ingredients like legal drugs do.
3. Head shops will have many of their products banned shortly because they do contain banned substances.
4. Head shop drugs are constantly being tweaked to flout the law.
5. The medical profession recommend that these substances be banned because of their harmful side-effects.
6. Young people are easily led and think that the drugs in the Head Shops are harmless because they are being sold openly.
7. Head Shop drugs have led to deaths.
8. Alcohol and nicotine have led to deaths too.
9. This country has far too many alcoholics and drug addicted for its size.
10. Moderation is the key to most things !!

Cavan slasher had to look at a few of your 'facts'

1. The reason cannibis is illegal is due to financial and political reasons. It was made illegal in America due to pressure from many well known paper magnates as hemp was a much cheaper alternative. It was subsequently banned in other countries due to political pressure from the US. This is widely know and can easily be looked up if you so wish.

2. An excellant reason for legalising and regulating many drugs. They would be much safer.

3. All testing so far has found no illegal substances

4. Probably but every law and accountancy firm in the country also work just inside the law. In the area of drugs the law is painfully hypocritical and needs to be addressed

5. Unfortunately again wrong. The medical community seem in full agreement that the dangers of drugs like cannabis were just scaremonger tactics by successive governments. They are almost unanimous in agreement that tobacco and alcohol are far more dangerous than many illegal drugs

6. Probably right, education is key

7. Have never seen any evidence of this. However several people die every year from eating peanuts, why not ban them?

8. Agreed

9. True. Interesting to note that ireland has far more heroin addicts than amsterdam were it is clear to young people that if something is illegal it is for a reason. In ireland a young person will smoke weed, realise it is fine and think everything banned is fine. It is a terrible system we have here

10. Absolutely agree

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 18/02/2010 13:54:05    565528

What is the problem with taking drugs if one wants to do it?
The people on here ranting about the effects of the substances in these shops should take a look at the effects of alcohol on our nation. And its only going to get worse. All you need to do is log onto your homepage on facebook to see the absolute worship young people have for alcohol. The present day young people really do only think they are cool if they are mad drunk or are telling their friendfs how mad drunk they were. What effect is that going to have on our health services in 40 years? Think of the present day problems and multiply it by 10. Young people nowadays have a lot more money to spend on beer than their parents had. Therefore they are drinking more and there is going to be a serious amount of liver problems etc in 20/30 years.
So ease off on the hypocrisy here about how "drugs are bad mkay" when we happily acquiesce to our children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers and friends getting twisted and binging on a drug every weekend. Alcohol is a drug remember. I find it amazing when i hear people looking down on others for being "high on dope that fella" when its perfectly ok to be "hammered out of my head" on alcohol. Gimme a break.
We claim to be a young highly educated country. Lets move into the real world so. Either ban all drugs or legalise them. Simple. They all do the same thing to varying degrees so whats the difference. People talk about privacy every day in this country and the place becomes ever more politically correct. How about letting people choose what they put in their own bodies?
But the hypocrisy has to stop. RossieLassie saying she works with young adults and says that drink isnt as big a problem as drugs in this country? Dont be insulting our intelligence, get out from under your agenda and talk some sense

BatigolStatue (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 18/02/2010 15:08:33    565674

BatigolStatue

But the hypocrisy has to stop. RossieLassie saying she works with young adults and says that drink isnt as big a problem as drugs in this country? Dont be insulting our intelligence, get out from under your agenda and talk some sense

If you read my posts i agreed about alcohol as weel...

Alcohol is very much as lethal and dangerous as anything sold in a Head Shop. Don't forget that the things in Head Shops are legal, the same way alcohol is legal.

I agree that it can be lethal also. I think it is a shame that they are legal. I know they pay tax etc. I am not strict though, i am open minded but I dont see the need for them at all. Yes i went to college and see alot, and worked in USA with plenty of potheads but at the end of the day people cant ignore that these drugs have side effects, and the good ones dont last last, the bad ones do.

Alcohol is a serious problem with many and yeah it can be seen with their kids, but these days other drugs are too. Not just alcohol.

And Nocky I wasnt too lazy to read the thread, i did read it and im not here ranting nor am i ill informed! And i think on this thread rather than the drugs thread that bad monkey and cavan slasher wrote far better posts.

rossielassie (Roscommon) - Posts: 672 - 18/02/2010 16:36:39    565824

No problem if its vigilanties doing it. My worry is that it may not be vigilanties, but rather drug pushers who think the head shops are taking their business.

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 18/02/2010 16:41:54    565833

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBkgJ4SvQ10

This fella always liked getting off his head......!!....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/02/2010 17:18:54    565880

County: Tyrone
Posts: 10039

564892 Burn everyone of them and keep them out of towns , villages etc ,

Who do you think should burn them down?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/02/2010 18:39:29    566015

Bad.monkey,

I have heard doctors on t.v. and radio state that products sold in these shops contain banned substances and i have also listened to a man on the Joe Duffy show state that his son jumped to his death after taking something he bought in one of them.

Also i work in a certain place where we look after teenagers who are in care. One young lad was given some concoction which he took while in a bath and suffered severe paranoia and we had to break in the door to get him out. It was bought in one of these shops in Dundalk by a friend of his. It is called something like Bath Blow ? The youngster was not back to normal for over a week. Of course this stuff is dangerous.

Cannabis is getting stronger like Skunk and Netherweed and i recently spoke to a Dr Lister who works in St.Brigids Psychiatric Hospital in Ardee, Co. Louth, and she states that many suicides can be directly attributed to nothing more than cannabis use. Many young people who use it have great difficulties because of it, even in getting to sleep at night without smoking it.

Of course you can state similar things regarding alcohol, cigarettes etc but that does not make either habits right. They are all harmful but lets call a spade a spade !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/02/2010 19:17:37    566072

So, rossielassie, am I right in saying that you think all drugs should be banned, including alcohol and tobacco? You think doing this would make our country a better place to live?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 18/02/2010 19:22:15    566084

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
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564892 Burn everyone of them and keep them out of towns , villages etc ,


What good would that do? Sure even if these shops are full of illegal drugs like some people on here like to believe then would everybody nearby not be high for a week with the stuff in the air?

wild_biffalo (Offaly) - Posts: 91 - 18/02/2010 19:26:45    566095

There have been legal drug shops for years in Belfast, in the Inn Shops on High Street.

The sweat shop where I lived in England, and the sweat shop in Newcastle Co Down, have been selling all the paraphenalia associated with drugs for years.

These are LEGAL shops.

And who is burning them? THE DRUG DEALERS.

And Dell.

Who must have a wee moustache on his top lip, and a right arm which jerks straight out in a salute.

Now all stats, experts, everybody, agrees that the worst drugs associated with death and destruction is ALCOHOL. But it could always claim to be legal.

So are these shops.

I really do suspect that Hogabn Stand posters will soon be wearing brown shirts and burning libraries.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 18/02/2010 21:16:35    566295