Video all games so that everyone is treated equally. Then we'll have a fair system for all.

CoTyrone (Tyrone) - Posts: 261 - 15/02/2010 18:40:47    562198

Looking forward to see the CCC apply the same to kerry and cork players now bans surely.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 15/02/2010 19:05:06    562234

If there's any justice in this world there should be a list of players getting their reward of a 4 week ban when it comes thursday night - friday morning!

Orlaith (Derry) - Posts: 4282 - 15/02/2010 20:41:56    562460

what about the incidents in the wexford offaly game..absolutely terrible...will the cccc view video evidence there..ohh yeah forgot..no tv cameras at the match..

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/02/2010 21:10:26    562515

mayotyroneman
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562515 what about the incidents in the wexford offaly game..absolutely terrible...will the cccc view video evidence there..ohh yeah forgot..no tv cameras at the match..


i believe thats called insufficient evidence no case to answer.maybe somebody should tell the tyrone team the cameras are present behave

GerryMc (Mayo) - Posts: 218 - 15/02/2010 21:16:37    562523

The G.A.A. need to buy their own cameras and install one at either end of the field for matches. They could cover all league matches in all divisions. With games on both Saturdays and Sundays a total of 16 cameras would be required. It would give a bit of employment within the organisation as well as people would be needed to man them, look after film, etc and we not be relying on R.T,E. at all !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/02/2010 21:25:44    562539

maybe someone should mention that to mark ronaldson too??...so are you saying when tv cameras not around you should get away with thuggery...see you come from the padraic duffy school of thought on this one?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/02/2010 21:27:19    562541

15/02/2010 21:10:26
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562515
what about the incidents in the wexford offaly game..absolutely terrible...will the cccc view video evidence there..ohh yeah forgot..no tv cameras at the match..
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What incidents are you talking about? I was at the match and didn't see any incident worthy of a red card. Neither did anyone else I spoke to. This is the third or fourth thread in which this same topic is being debated and it's getting pretty tiring.

Now I know you are trying to be funny, but your argument is getting pretty boring. Where it exists, video evidence must be used - to both prove a player's innocence where they have been sent off in the wrong, and to prove their guilt where they have done wrong.

To argue that video evidence should not be used where it exists is just plain stupid. If players do not want to get suspended, then they shouldn't commit red card offences. Simple, if you do the crime you do the time.

Imagine trying to argue in a court of law that a thief caught on CCTV should not be imprisoned because another thief stole from a similar shop where there were no cameras present. That is the "logic" in your argument mayotyroneman.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 15/02/2010 21:33:01    562551

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562539 The G.A.A. need to buy their own cameras and install one at either end of the field for matches. They could cover all league matches in all divisions. With games on both Saturdays and Sundays a total of 16 cameras would be required. It would give a bit of employment within the organisation as well as people would be needed to man them, look after film, etc and we not be relying on R.T,E. at all !!

I am for this ONE!!!!

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 16/02/2010 10:54:35    562686

If players do not want to get suspended, then they shouldn't commit red card offences. Simple, if you do the crime you do the time.


I am for this ONE too but I must admit sometimes I can understand why it happens, especially if there is a build up of handbags and so forth beforehand......not condoning it but

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 16/02/2010 10:56:19    562689

Simple solution. Let the referee deal with the game as he sees it at the time. He might miss things but hes only human, the same as the player who manages to get away without punishment. The GAA are going down a very dangerous road of reviewing every dodgy incident in the board room. Forget it. When the game finishes so should everything that happened during it. End of story. Move on to next week.

OUTFORA65 (Tyrone) - Posts: 49 - 16/02/2010 11:05:16    562705

GerryMc, the mayo no 15 will be sweating it as well over the next few days. Did anyone tell him the camera's were at the match?

Diego (Meath) - Posts: 1205 - 16/02/2010 11:25:06    562730

Could we not just ban TV cameras from entering Healy Park? Hijack them at the gate ;)

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 16/02/2010 11:27:11    562732

16/02/2010 11:05:16
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562705
Simple solution. Let the referee deal with the game as he sees it at the time. He might miss things but hes only human, the same as the player who manages to get away without punishment. The GAA are going down a very dangerous road of reviewing every dodgy incident in the board room. Forget it. When the game finishes so should everything that happened during it. End of story. Move on to next week.
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So foul play should go unpunished as long as the referee doesn't see it? It is acceptble and okay to foul an opponent off the ball and a player should not be punished so long as the referee misses it?

Why is "reviewing every dodgy incident" "going down a very dangerous road"? What is "dangerous" about it? Surely reviewing a video of a "dodgy incident" repeatedly, from multiple angles and in slow-motion is a safer way of reaching a decision about suspensions than the opinion of one man who may or may not have had a clear view of the incident and has to make a quick decision?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 16/02/2010 11:43:56    562758

This is the worst argument I can imagine - and I come from a county which has had plenty of suspensions.
Let's move this logic on - all the suspensions from the 1996 All-Ireland final between Meath and Mayo were nothing to do with the players, they were all the fault of the TV cameras. It was so unfair; we should have banned TV cameras from All-Ireland finals, why did we not think of that before? And what makes it so infuriating is the fact that there were championship games that were not covered on TV that year. So unfair, where was the consistency?
If a Meath player hits a Westmeath opponent in two weeks time he deserves to get sent off. If the referee misses it, he still deserves to get sent off and if a TV camera picks it up, then justice is served. If a camera isn't present, then he gets lucky.
I thought that Joe McMahon was unlucky to be sent off on Saturday, and TV evidence could change that to a yellow card. If there was no TV camera present then this could not happen.
All I am waiting for in the league is for two Tyrone lads to get straight red cards and Mickey Harte to come out complaining that there were no TV cameras there to prove their innocence.
Speed cameras must really annoy the Tyrone county board, imagine the injustice of getting caught on camera breaking the rules while others break the speed limit and there are no cameras to catch them. The injustice of it all! Let's spend money getting cameras covering every inch or road. It is just a plain silly argument.
Imagine if we heard of a sport in another part of the world where a team did not want to let cameras in so that they could avoid foul play being punished. We would laugh out loud and say that would never happen here.
Two years ago seven Meath players got suspended on video evidence from a league game with five of them missing two championship games as a result. It rankled back then but if you do the crime then you do the time.

Roger (Meath) - Posts: 480 - 16/02/2010 11:53:29    562773

I do feel sorry for Tyrone and Micky Harte on this one. They are a high profile side and with that comes media analysis. There was far worse stuff going on the last few weekends at grounds where there are no cameras.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1906 - 16/02/2010 12:24:52    562819

I just want to give a big high five to roger, best post on this thread
Quit the belly aching about it all tyrone fans
Since when is it a surprise that GAA discipline is inconsistent!!!

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 16/02/2010 12:24:56    562820

thats not the point roger in fairness.

any system which is not equal across the board is shockingly flawed. end of story.

this has happened to many counties and its unfortunate that media are only giving it coverage now that a big 'personality' like harte is complaing. disiplinary systems HAVE to be fair to every team, having inconsistency like at present is a joke. ps tyrone still have no excuse for four men seeing red in two games. very poor disipline.

jaffacake (Meath) - Posts: 720 - 16/02/2010 12:27:28    562824

I wonder will people be so reasoned on this subject if/when their own county bears the brunt of it?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12440 - 16/02/2010 12:32:22    562835

Video evidence can only be used where there is a camera present. If there is a camera there and a player transgresses he will be suspended on video evidence.

If there is no cameras there & the same player commits the same offence it will go unpunished.

Therefore the teams that play in front of the cameras are unfairly scrutinised.

Video evidence can only be used if there are cameras at every game.

This is not an issue in championship time as all games are covered, but at this time teams will be missing players while they prepare for the latter stages of the league & the championship.

On another note where video evidence is used it should also be used th clear players wrongly punished.

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 16/02/2010 12:32:39    562836