Mickey never yet explicitly said that bans handed down have been the reason for the teams defeat. Some of the incidents in the games merit suspension although whos to say that these incidents haven't happened elsewhere and not under the glare of the TV camera or under the scrutiny of the TG4 or Setanta panel.

This is an extremely valid point had the cameras not been in Derry two weeks ago then Eoin Bradley, Conor Gormley, Justin McMahon nor Martin Penrose would have been suspended.

This highlights a major flaw in the system and fair play to Mickey for fighting his corner and it looks as if the County Board are going to support a black out of TV coverage.

The only way the CCC can be held accountable is if every game is videoed and they view every game in the NFL otherwise they shouldn't exist.

Its also pathetic that Pauric Duffy has continued to lend his support to the CCC and Christy Cooney stated that video evidence has been used to get players off. This dosen't wash when you consider that the players suspended have been clearly prejudiced by tv coverage. They both clearly miss the point that Mickey is making.

I think Tyrone will come good yet and these incidents will strive to motivate the Team to retain their DIV 1 status and galvanise them for championship battles further down the road. Tir Eoghain ABU!

CharlieHarper (Tyrone) - Posts: 42 - 16/02/2010 13:00:06    562899

tyrone ultra i agree with your sentiments on the derry threes misdemenours but its not you or my opinion or indeed the pundits on the extent of punishment etc it was the ref who decided to implement a ban on further consideration and promtingby the ccc. the county boards latest offering of withdrawing from live games is a bit shortsighted as they will be hit where they most feel it the pocket, not to mention depriving a lot of fans in hard up times the oppurtunity to see tyrone.once again the master speaks and the disciples kick the pharisees out of the tv temple.

reddoctor (Tyrone) - Posts: 1241 - 16/02/2010 13:04:25    562905

I totally agree with TV evidence to cut out poor discipline. Tyrone may argue now that they are the victims when the cameras are absent from most venues during the league. However if you look at a typical championship season when all matches are broadcast, there is a steady steam of Tyrone players making their way to the CHC. As Christy cooney said, if you behave then you do not have to worry about TV cameras. I think Tyrone should have a serious look at their disclipine on the field and try and clean up our national game and give it the respect that it deserves. Managers should cut out this "them against us" mentality and concentrate in improving discipline. If the GAA gets tough now hopefully we will have a good championship.

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3187 - 16/02/2010 14:25:55    563030

redoctor take on board most of your points, and yes mceneany did have the final responsibility but ray silke'scomments got the ccc on the case, and remember brian crowe?..i'm sure mceneany didn't want to be consigned to that graveyard....as for the master and the temple analogy..i think you'llfind that mickey was only articulating what action the county board have already set in process...if it means somebody making a stand then i'm proud that it's our county thats going to be doing..and lets face it by the end of this week, it will be mayo and kerry and cork who will be doing the "bleating" and "complaining", when/if they get hit with bans when the CCC act in their usual consistent manner

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 16/02/2010 15:29:21    563164

i see u were reading paddy heany today mayoman. his article hits the nail on the head

oma_ganuche (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 16/02/2010 16:27:19    563258

what probably peeves the rest of the country is the two facedness of tyrone in suggesting for a motion to congress of getting rid of reflective referral to the ccc, proposing a ban on tv cameras and then asking for joe mcmahons red card to be rescinded. i couldnt imagine a ban on tv in tyrone think of the revenue, exposure and not to mention the number of barbers west of the ban and in cookstown mugsy that would close at the thought of it. though if it meant a complete media ban we wouldnt have to put up with the q102 pundits and the master would be like bin laden broadcasting via 2 bean cans and a bit of rope from some well in ballygawley.

reddoctor (Tyrone) - Posts: 1241 - 16/02/2010 16:32:35    563271

A complete media ban would effectively wreck the hardcore of bar stool support that Tyrone have accumulated over the years. It would be a disaster for the post office club in Omagh.

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 16/02/2010 17:07:09    563338

lads tell your players to stop doing the crime if they cant do the time,

numbnuts (Mayo) - Posts: 31 - 16/02/2010 19:02:56    563492

Numbnuts, I'd have absolutely no problem "doing the time" if everyone was doing it too!! But you and I both know that is not going to be the case...

mossgreen (Tyrone) - Posts: 181 - 17/02/2010 09:35:17    563822

As TyroneUltra siad "this is Gaelic Football a rough tough physical game" none of the four players deserved a months suspension. if we keep going down this route we may as well just call it soccer and be done with it.

did anyone watch the hurling final in September, if the same rules had been applied there all thirty men would have been sittin on the sidelines. The physicality of gaelic football is one of the things that makes it great and enjoyable to watch.

Mickey harte is right in what he is saying The system needs to be fair. Every player playing at senior county level must be disciplined in the same manner so that means trial by TV for all or none. I know which option will be the easist to implement.

TV evidence should be used in the championship as every game will be televised and more is at stake, but not in the league. were players are just trying to get match fitness and win a place on the team.

bloodrunsblue (Tyrone) - Posts: 8 - 17/02/2010 10:50:29    563887

Guys come on guys this is as childish as 'its my ball and I'm going home'. You are playing in division 1 in the league there will be a good balance of what games are televised as it is all the top counties are in the division. Therefore there will be a even amount of tv footage available on each county in the division. Mickey Harte in starting to sound more like Jim Corr with his conspiracy theories. You would think with all your recent success you guys would be past the tales of victimisation! This is pure childish and surely not in the best interest of your county. I thought Mickey was in favour of promoting the game world wide now he doesn't even want the people in his own county to see there games!

This is another case of every county manager and team thinks they are bigger than the game these days. I seriously worry about the level of disrespect for general rules and structure of the GAA. every county seems to have a strike, a transfer saga, or now a tv ban saga going on its getting way out of control. I seriously think players, managers, clubs and county boards need to pull there heads back in and start respecting the game again.

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 17/02/2010 11:43:38    563957

Bottom line is Mickey Harte has NEVER said that Tyrone have lost games due to the presence of the TV camera. The presence of the camera has been prejudicial full stop had the match in Celtic Park not been televised then there would have been little talk of the incicdents in the game which led to one Derry and three Tyrone men getting suspensions.

Paddy Heaney lends weight to Mickeys argument and hes a Derry man who would relish Tyrone getting rough justice so there is an impartial view on the validity of these suspensions.

The process is very much flawed and the fact that Tyrone have appealed suspensions on the basis of TV footage is totally irrelevant and Christy Cooney is missing the point completely. As Ricey said I doubt if anyone has given the game between Leitrim and Waterford the same scrutiny.

Incidents like these happen all the time in Football though when they come under the glare of the TV camera it suddenly becomes headline news whereas week in week out there are incidents on football fields not seen by match officials nor TV cameras which are ignored and thats the point Mickey is making. I would also applaud the County Board for backing Mickey by releasing a statement stating that they were considering a boycott on Televised matches.

If all matches receive the same scrutiny then Tyrone will have no complaints until then the CCC are nothing more than a Kangaroo Court.

CharlieHarper (Tyrone) - Posts: 42 - 17/02/2010 11:59:55    563988

And when do you come up against Waterford or Leitrim in this years League 1 Charlie Harper? Apples with apples springs to mind......

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 17/02/2010 12:48:21    564086

charlie if you think for one minute mr heaney can give an impartial refrain to the masters sermon on tv then think again. they both collect their paypackett from the same source on a friday and heaney s damien cassidys venting spleen re rules hardly impartial. agree with the dublin poster were not playin because we want our ball in the game, childish arguments all round im afraid. pressure makes people say strange things, and id look out for some classics if monaghan beat us as well, more than likely because the new rules are anti-tyrone, wait and see as we cant blame suspensions this time.

reddoctor (Tyrone) - Posts: 1241 - 17/02/2010 12:55:49    564104

What are you in about pig on a stick League 1 is not were Leeds Utd ply their trade Apples with apples sorry never heard that one before elaborate please. I'm not an advocate of foul play and yes we won't be playing either in Waterford or Leitrim though hypothetically speaking should an incident occur at a game between the aforementioned counties it wouldn't receive any attention because of lack of media coverage and effectively what ever is in the referees report would stand.

So effectively the CCC are set up to monitor offences which are caught on camera and if your game is not televised and there are off the ball incidents which haven't been seen by match officials then theres no word of it and thats the end of it though if your caught on TV your dragged over the coals.

Hardly fair !

CharlieHarper (Tyrone) - Posts: 42 - 17/02/2010 13:41:01    564190

How does that differ to any other sport? If you have a rugby team playing in a competition that is televised footage can be used where lesser competitions don't have this facility? Fact is that all the teams in Tyrones NFL 1 will have there games televised evenly so whats the problem its a level playing field within the division! Trying to spin this as the rest of the country against Tyrone on here is just pathetic grow up Mickey Harte and the Tyrone county board thems the rules if you don't like play some other sport! Croke park needs to get tougher on all these mini uprises in all counties and start stomping out managers and players trying to rule the sport through the media!

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 17/02/2010 14:01:41    564239

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564239 How does that differ to any other sport? If you have a rugby team playing in a competition that is televised footage can be used where lesser competitions don't have this facility? Fact is that all the teams in Tyrones NFL 1 will have there games televised evenly so whats the problem its a level playing field within the division! Trying to spin this as the rest of the country against Tyrone on here is just pathetic grow up Mickey Harte and the Tyrone county board thems the rules if you don't like play some other sport! Croke park needs to get tougher on all these mini uprises in all counties and start stomping out managers and players trying to rule the sport through the media!

The NFL is all the one competition therefore how can you use the comparison that lesser competitions don't have the facility. Secondly, a citing commissioner is present at every game in a competition otherwise he cannot be used. It is also easier for a commissioner as in rugby, players are generally all within a certain area closer to each other than in GAA and the linesmen are also utilised fully, something that is not done in GAA. Them's the rules? That statement hardly dignifies an answer. Should the rules of the association not apply equally to everyone?

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 17/02/2010 14:23:35    564292

Its kind of silly blaming the TVs when they were clearly in the wrong? It showed you last night a Tyrone player I think it was McMahon repeatedly kneeing a derry man on the head while he was on the ground.

Orlaith (Derry) - Posts: 4282 - 17/02/2010 14:25:12    564296

Again more spin omagh red hand! NFL 1 is a seperate competition to league to 2 are they competing on the same league table as NFL 2? No so they do not have to worry about how much tv coverage the lesser teams or competitions receive! They only have to worry about the teams in the same league as them! Grow up and don't try defend what is nothing more than a childish strop by Mickey Harte!

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 17/02/2010 14:56:25    564346

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564296 Its kind of silly blaming the TVs when they were clearly in the wrong? It showed you last night a Tyrone player I think it was McMahon repeatedly kneeing a derry man on the head while he was on the ground.

I don't think you should believe everything you see on the TV Dana, David Blaine must be up to his old camera tricks again. Not only should there be a ban on Tv coverage, its high time we banned people from just watching TV's. Its the ruination of many's a good household if you ask me.

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 17/02/2010 15:34:50    564422