Its not too often I agree with an Armagh man's opinion but on reading an article by Jarlath Burns regarding imported GAA jargon and cliche used by presenters and the media in general I have to agree with my Orchard neighbour. Here are several of the word that annoyed Jarlath.

- First phase and second phase possession. - Does anyone know what this is?

- Zone defence - A Basketball term that translated into gaelic means "marking space" or bordering on "ball watching"!

- Turnovers - Something my mother would make such as an apple one or a jam one but in gaelic terms "Losing Possession"

- Gainline - Adopted term from Rugby league. Does anyone know where this mythological place is?

- Kick Off (ie the match kicks off at 3pm) - Another offensive term. GAA games have never kicked off the ref always throws the ball in

- Pitch side - We don't have pitchside in the GAA we have a side line

- In terms of - Reporter: Well Barney, What are your injuries for sunday
Barney: Well in terms of the injuries............
Or
Michael Lyster: Well Tommy Lyons Do you think Kildare have enough to go all the way?
Tommy Lyons: Well Michael, In terms of Kildare..........

-Basically - When someone begins the word with the words "Basically" Jarlath feels like asking him first to try him out with the complicated version first to see if he can grasp it.

Now that the gaelic season has been "rolled out" everyone should be aware of these loose terms and try and make sense of them and no doubt we will be blessed with another few words of technical meaning nonsense in the up and coming months ahead. While all this is going on Tyrone are still missing a "Marquee forward" or two, We hope in Tyrone that this situation will improve so that we can be in a "better place"......

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 11/02/2010 15:58:36    558737

One used on the Hoganstand front page is "starting XV" ripped off from rugby. Also calling the full-forward line the inside forward line.

dubinhell (None) - Posts: 8 - 11/02/2010 16:46:08    558812

we should stick with the hang-sanwiches

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 11/02/2010 16:49:09    558814

Another one is the commentators saying so and so is wearing the captains armband. The captains do not wear armbands in the GAA so we can do without that one as well. Loved Jarleths article and he was absolutely right!

ObsessiveTy (Tyrone) - Posts: 12 - 11/02/2010 16:51:35    558816

culmore
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558814 we should stick with the hang-sanwiches
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Shouldn't that be sammich?

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 11/02/2010 17:25:50    558859

centre forward and centre back, wing forward and wing back.
its centre HALF forward/back and wing HALF forward/back

speedy12 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 592 - 11/02/2010 18:18:44    558931

In fairness not many people use kick off, it would usually be throw in.

Fr.Ted.Crilly (Derry) - Posts: 449 - 11/02/2010 18:29:06    558953

blu
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558859 culmore
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558814 we should stick with the hang-sanwiches
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Shouldn't that be sammich?


Samridges

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/02/2010 18:36:53    558962

Fr.Ted.Crilly
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In fairness not many people use kick off, it would usually be throw in.

Actually Jarlath made a point of highlighting how the "kick off" statement had spread to such things as the Scor kicks off at half seven or the sponsored walk kicks off at ten o clock and that the term should be put into the rule book under "bringing the game under disrepute" and six weeks suspension given to those who use it. I suppose Fr Ted roughly translated it would mean "Down with this sort of thing!".

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 11/02/2010 20:26:14    559060

- First phase and second phase possession. - First phase possession is possession caught from a goal kick, sideline ball free, etc.? Second phase possession either (1) broken ball in midfield or maybe (2) ball won back from the opposition e.g. when a forward kicks a shot into the goalkeeper's hands? Don't really know though.

- Zone defence - Instead of e.g. a fullback following a roving full forward out the field he will stay in his "zone". Same with the rest of the defenders and other players who get back to defend when a team is without possesion. Don't see anything wrong with the use of this term, although the "zones" in Gaelic football are a lot less rigid than other sports.

- Turnovers - Losing possession. I don't have any problem with the use of this term, it is a new adjective which can be applied to "possession" or "ball" won back from the opposition.

- Gainline - Adopted term from Rugby league. Also used in rugby union. I have never heard it used in GAA, and it would make no sense to do so.

The rest are just slang terms, some from other sports, some not. None are particularly annoying to me. Why do some people hate other sports so much?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 11/02/2010 21:12:09    559120

I'll tell you what mugsys_barber, I'll give Father Larry Duff a call.

Fr.Ted.Crilly (Derry) - Posts: 449 - 11/02/2010 21:18:53    559131

FACE OFF stolen from ice hockey,' I think' but has often found it's way into the GAA both on and off the pitch. It often slots in between the following words 'I'll take the *******' and 'ye if ye don't stop annoying me and go away'...

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 11/02/2010 21:47:32    559175

Tis due to the influence of television mugsy. More channels, therefore more sport, is available to watch and certain jargon and clichés become homogenised and used in all sports, whether they are relevant or not. Many come across from American sports, such as gainline (originally from American Football, used in Rugby in the last decade or so) and zone defence. (From Basketball) And with it has come statistics on everything under the sun, no matter how meaningless they are!

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 12/02/2010 08:25:00    559215

As long as they dont replace my favourite: "schemozzle" I'll sleep soundly.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9799 - 12/02/2010 08:42:55    559224

Poor shot selection is another one used when someone drives it wide.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 12/02/2010 08:58:53    559235

11/02/2010 18:18:44
speedy12
County: Fermanagh
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558931 centre forward and centre back, wing forward and wing back.
its centre HALF forward/back and wing HALF forward/back


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Does everybody not say full back rather than centre full back and full forward rather than centre full forward. i always say half back instead of wing half back and centre forward instead of centre half forward.

ive been consumed by jargon it would seem

joan_balantine (UK) - Posts: 824 - 12/02/2010 10:02:49    559288

nocky
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559120
- First phase and second phase possession. - First phase possession is possession caught from a goal kick, sideline ball free, etc.? Second phase possession either (1) broken ball in midfield or maybe (2) ball won back from the opposition e.g. when a forward kicks a shot into the goalkeeper's hands? Don't really know though.
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My understanding of First phase and second phase etc possession is that the first time you get the ball is first phase whether thats winning it from a kickout or the ball dropping into the keepers hands or a tackle etc. Then when the player who got the ball on first phase lays it off to a team mate its second phase, then third phase etc.

I think it comes from Rugby Union where teams "go through the phases" which means taking the ball into contact, getting tackled, then the ball being recycled and someone else takes it into contact etc. Each time the ball is recycled its another phase.

Talking about Recycling thats come into GAA too. Meaning to go sideways or backwards when going forward is not on so as to maintain possession.

GaaFan86 (Wicklow) - Posts: 11 - 12/02/2010 10:42:56    559332

That 'kick off' thing really gets on my wick too.

Another one that crept in years ago was 'top of the left/right.' For ages I had no idea what it meant. It means corner forward, no?

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 12/02/2010 11:03:17    559351

12/02/2010 08:42:55
Lockjaw
County: Donegal
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559224 As long as they dont replace my favourite: "schemozzle" I'll sleep soundly.

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bit of a schemozzle is a cracker alright.

its nearly as bad as people sayin did you see season 5 of the sporanos. seasons lik? for tv shows? what will they think of next?

joan_balantine (UK) - Posts: 824 - 12/02/2010 13:53:35    559589

blu
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558859 culmore
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558814 we should stick with the hang-sanwiches
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Shouldn't that be sammich?


Samridges

I think you'll find it's pronounced Sangage! I do count count myself as an expert in this field. Hang and chesse being the top notch sangage washed down with a drop of thay from a flasch or a tk orange bottle or maybe a bottle of cadet orange if your pushing the boat out and a bit of curnt cake for desert.

Tipperary.... The Tinfoil Army!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/02/2010 14:55:11    559653