Jimbodub, I don't get your point !! Why would they burn down pharmacies selling legal drugs ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/03/2010 14:41:06    579060

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579060 Jimbodub, I don't get your point !! Why would they burn down pharmacies selling legal drugs ?


If Cannabis was made legal and sold through Pharmacies for people suffering with MS

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 04/03/2010 15:23:56    579118

Jimbo, ok i agree but if people who have a mental illness (which they might not even know about) its very bad !! I am told that after allowing it to be smoked freely in the Tea-shops in Holland, they have big problems with mental illness and their psychiatric hospitals are stretched to breaking point !!

Anyway we won't solve it but something has to be tried to prevent the drug dealers making serious money and to stop all the killings !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/03/2010 16:06:18    579165

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579165 Jimbo, ok i agree but if people who have a mental illness (which they might not even know about) its very bad !! I am told that after allowing it to be smoked freely in the Tea-shops in Holland, they have big problems with mental illness and their psychiatric hospitals are stretched to breaking point !!

Anyway we won't solve it but something has to be tried to prevent the drug dealers making serious money and to stop all the killings !!

Then we learn from the Dutch... and where they went wrong. You see theres a lot of very strong Cannabis (White Widow) that has been genetically modified to become more powerful than it actually should be. I dont agree with this at all... it's basically a GM product. So we learn from the dutch and where they went wrong and just sell the pure natural product. As it stands it's very very hard to get GM grass in this country... generally whats on offer here is not very good.. unless you grow it yourself! My uncle has MS and has grown his own grass for over 30yrs and smokes it on a daily basis. It really does help him...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 04/03/2010 16:30:04    579205

Is it time to stop the rubbish and turn Dublin into the next Amsterdam!

We could make a fortune marketing the city in this way...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/04/2010 16:06:56    617347

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617347 Is it time to stop the rubbish and turn Dublin into the next Amsterdam!

We could make a fortune marketing the city in this way...
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And we already have trams and two canals.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 14/04/2010 16:42:48    617417

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617417 jimbodub
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617347 Is it time to stop the rubbish and turn Dublin into the next Amsterdam!

We could make a fortune marketing the city in this way...
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And we already have trams and two canals.

Bingo! :) Haha

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/04/2010 16:52:35    617456

Well id like to take this moment to let yee know im off to Amsterdam in the morning. Purely totake notes on how we can learn from them. And all the sight seeing of course ;)

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 15/04/2010 11:32:14    618031

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618031 Well id like to take this moment to let yee know im off to Amsterdam in the morning. Purely totake notes on how we can learn from them. And all the sight seeing of course ;)

Yes I'd recommend taking a detailed photo journal of your experiences... all for research of course

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 15/04/2010 11:46:04    618062

As usual and unsurprisingly opinion is quite divided on the topic. On this occasion, and for once I agree Nocky. As part of my studies on Criminal Justice I completed an assignment on "Does deterrence work in relation to the prohibition of drugs" From the research I engaged in and although obviously it was all secondary research the unequivicol answer would appear to be No, it does not work. A report by the Science and Technology Select committee in 2006 presented to the British Government actually stated that " We have found no solid evidence to support the existence of a deterrent effect despite the fact that it appears to underpin the Government's policy on classification" In effect saying that the classification of substances as illegal does not work. In Britain, the drug trade is worth between £4-6 billion to drug dealers. Imagine the tax take on that sort of revenue. Despite the continued "crackdown" on drugs (no pun intended) drug use is on the increase. Prison is no longer a deterrent to drug dealers given the value attached to the business and despite vast amounts of money being used to combat drug dealing the conviction rate in Britain has actually decreased.

The Netherlands introduced a harm reduction policy after the Baan report in 1972 after it was successfully argued that the criminal justice system cannot adequately deal with drug abuse. It also indicated that there should be a major difference in how users and dealers are treated. Cannabis use in the Netherlands is almost 10% lower than in the UK despite being legal in the Netherlands. A comparison of drug usage between the Netherlands and the USA (which has probably the harshest anti drugs laws) shows that usage is running at about half as much in the Netherlands. Surely this is indicative of the fact that prohibition does not and will not work in relation to drugs. Furthermore in the UK, the number of hard drug users is over 50% higher per 100,000 of the population than in the Netherlands. This is despite a four times higher arrest rate in the UK for drug offences. Therefore despite a higher enforcement rate the number of users/dealers is increasing!!

It is obvious that blanket prohibition does not work. It is also obvious that the justice system and its strategy in respect of drug usage and dealing is not effective especially given the increased lucrativeness of the trade. Although I maybe would not advocate the declassification of some Class A drugs such as Heroin, I would espouse the view that most Class C and some Class B drugs could be declassified and regulated by the government. In addition to this, the supply of Class A drugs should lead to a mandatory sentence no less than 15 years so that in addition to limiting the potential of drug dealers by effectively reducing the number of products they supply a very unappealing prison sentence ensues.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 15/04/2010 12:28:03    618137

Well done Omaghredhand. One of the most sensible posts I have read on here in a long time.

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 15/04/2010 12:34:23    618146

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Hats off to you man... excellent stuff

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 15/04/2010 12:46:15    618158