He shouldnt have went to Celtic for football reasons he's better in the PL, however for 60k a week its a good move in money terms.

theblindassasin (Meath) - Posts: 915 - 03/02/2010 20:03:18    550935

nocky - No player signed in the last 3 transfer windows (unless you count Jerome Rotten, signed on loan, collected a nice wage for six months while sitting at home and has since disappeared to some obscure club nobody has ever heard of in Turkey or somewhere). Rangers can't even afford new contracts for their young "starlets" Fleck and Wilson, never mind first team players like your hero "Boydy". The entire management team working without contracts, barely a tea lady left in the place...

and yet still 10 points ahead of celtic and the reigning CHAMPIONS, ha ha ha...

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 04/02/2010 19:50:44    552109

If Celtic get relegated will Robbie stay?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/02/2010 20:21:52    552148

So you really think "the 10 in a row is on for Rangers" monkey? Walter Smith doesn't think so, here's what he had to say yesterday......link

Rangers will do well to still be in existence next season such is the financial state of the club after years of mismanagement.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 04/02/2010 20:50:09    552185

whatever about 10 in a row, rangers are definitely on for 2 in a row :)

and then just take each title as they come, its too easy

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 04/02/2010 21:05:03    552216

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
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549371 'I was wondering what the basis is for your theory that the Championship is better than the SPL.'

Simply the calibre of player and standard of football in the Championship is much higher than that of the SPL. Think that's the best way to judge the competitiveness of a league

I get what you are saying but I don't get how you made this assessment. I have watched live i.e at the game, four championship games this season. The standard is ok with certain teams and it is more competitive but that is merely because there is more teams. Incidentally virtually the same number of points separate top and bottom as in the SPL. Bear also in mind that Strachan has signed half a team that Celtic wanted rid of so they must be capable of playing at that standard. Finance (or lack of) is the main reason that the SPL has dipped so much in recent seasons. Celtic and Rangers in the recent past have played and done reasonably well aganst top sides in Europe something that I would suggest would be beyind the capability of any championship team

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 04/02/2010 21:06:54    552218

Celtic AND Rangers can both make the UEFA final which is way beyond most premiership teams

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/02/2010 22:00:18    552290

When faced with the claim that the Championship is better than the SPL people always come bath back with the same old 'ex Old Firm players are doing well in the Championship hence the SPL is better.' There are 12 teams in the SPL, not two. The Old Firm would be amongst the best in the Championship but the majority of the teams would be struggling or in League 1

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 05/02/2010 10:44:12    552400

Pomeroy, I agree with your assessment up to a point. The bottom half of teams in the SPL would struggle to compete in the championship I think, but I believe Celtic would be more than capable of holding their own in the premiership, even with their current squad. Celtic's most recent results against premiership teams in Europe and in pre-season friendly tournaments (not a very good barometer, but the only direct comparison that can be made) back this claim up. Rangers I wouldn't be sure about, because their team is tailor-made for beating up on the smaller teams in the SPL (how many goals would Kris Boyd score in the PL?).

Of course, if they were receiving the tens of millions of pounds every year for just being in the premiership both could comfortably establish themselves - one year's premiership TV money would instantly clear Ranger's huge debt.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 05/02/2010 16:20:29    552826

I believe Celtic would be more than capable of holding their own in the premiership, even with their current squad.

funniest post ever on HS...

congratulations nocky, already we have a winner for the quote of the year competition!

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 05/02/2010 17:30:42    552912

I was making the point that Celtic's current squad, even before they invested the £30million they would receive in TV money for just participating in the premiership, would be more than capable of holding their own in said league. This was in response to PomeroyPlunkett's post, in which he suggested Celtic would be on a par with teams in the championship.

Of course if you pick certain sections from a quote or interview and take them out of the context they were written/said you can make them sound like something completely different. Are you a journalist for one of the tabloids by any chance?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 05/02/2010 18:14:05    552963

Yeah keep digging nocky...

In your previous post you clearly said that celtic could compete in the premiership with their current squad, you either think this or you dont. There is no shame in retracting this ridiculous claim

Celtic are mid to lower championship standard. The first team is made up of failed premiership players and those not good even to get signed by one. Doesnt this tell you something???

As for your allegations of 'mis-quoting' etc, your post is there for everyone to see...

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 05/02/2010 19:21:17    553040

Dont mind them Nocky, begrudgery seems to cloud some peoples judgment of football!

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 05/02/2010 19:40:03    553055

You have the reading age of a 5-year-old monkey. Not only did I say Celtic's current squad was capable of competing in the premiership in my first post, I reiterated this same statement in my last post, something which seems to have escaped you. Please give some solid reasons why you find it so unbelievable that Celtic could compete in the premiership, and why you think they are a mid-table championship club. All the evidence would appear to make your assertion the ridiculous one.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 05/02/2010 20:05:29    553074

nocky Don't take any notice of bad.monkey he is just trying to stir things. He is neither a Rangers fan or indeed a football fan. He has now found himself a niche on this forum where he sees himself as tormentor in chief of Celtic Supporters and is enjoying the notoriety that this brings. He has a limited knowledge of what he is talking about, sometimes if you get drawn into a debate with him you will catch him out easily enough. However when you do he simply stops posting lets the topic die and re-enters with a totally different slant further down the thread. He is a proven user of multiple user-names and its better to take anything he says with a pinch of salt.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 05/02/2010 20:28:09    553096

Solid reasons? Only one needed nocky - they have a very poor squad. Simple as. Their team is made up of players who couldnt make it in the premier league and players who just are not good enough to get signed by a premier league team. The only possible exception is mcgeady who may get a game for one of the lower premiership teams. Perhaps you could list the current celtic players you feel would start for a premier league team?

ah corkcelt good to hear from you, why the bitterness. If you are going to take the high moral road you should as least be even handed. You never object to the endless hated filled posts about rangers but once anyone dares to criticise celtic or their fans you will attack them. Fair enough if you only want to defend celtic and celtic fans but dont try and take the moral high road as you do it (it makes you look quite foolish).

Maybe your hatred for rangers clouds your judgement, as you said "im not prejudiced, i just hate the huns". Their is no place for hatred in sport.

Back on topic, perhap you would like to give your view on whether celtic with their current squad could compete in the premiership?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/02/2010 08:47:27    553237

Okay monkey, let's see - we've got a Polish international goalkeeper (who has continually been linked with a move to the PL). Our reserve goalkeeper is also a Polish international. We signed a Dutch international leftback (on loan from Bayern Munich) and have a Dutch international centreback. We signed another Dutch centreback who has won POTY awards at his previous two clubs. Our right back is a German international who was strongly linked with a move to the PL in the summer, but Celtic are not in a position where they have to sell (unlike Rangers) so we kept him.

We have an Irish international winger (McGeady) who we turned down £8-9m for from Birmingham. Harry Redknapp has made no secret of his admiration for Scott Brown. Ki is the Asian young POTY. N'Guemo is a Cameroon international who scored the goal that got them out of the group stages of the recent ANC. Maloney is a Scottish international who has played in the PL and scored in places like Stamford Bridge. Niall McGinn was wanted by Wolves, but Mick McCarthy was told no bid would be welcome.

We signed a Danish international striker, already have a Greek international striker and a striker who scored 5 goals in 17 appearances for a poor team in the premiership last year (not a bad ratio). This striker signed for us despite the offer of better wages from PL clubs. Then we have Kamara on loan, another proven PL goalscorer, who is coming back from a bad knee injury. Oh, and Robbie Keane.

You seem to be mistaking "not good enough to be signed by a premiership team" with "Celtic don't need to sell their best players" monkey. Just look at the players Cetic got rid of recently - Venegoor is at a PL team, West Ham, Birmingham and Wigan all wanted McDonald before we sold him to the highest bidder (Boro), Caldwell went to Wigan, Fox went to Burnley. All these players were replaced by better (or if you're not prepared to agreee with "better" monkey, then at least similar quality) players.

Now I'm not going to go through the squads of the 10 or so premiership squads who are of a similar (or poorer) standard to Celtic's monkey, you can do that yourself on wikipedia.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 06/02/2010 13:18:53    553362

ah nocky who are you trying to kid there are loads of international players playing in the championship, tabloid rumours about possible transfers are hardly the best judge of a player. Bar McGeady none of the celtic players would start for any preniership team. The current celtic team is awful and would struggle in the chamionship.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 07/02/2010 11:20:30    553754

I hate to agree with the monkey, but this Celtic squad is as poor as we have had for a very long time.

Mobray has ripped the heart out of the squad. He has let go better players than the players brought in. There is no way in this world that Georgina is a better striker than McDonald, no way N'Guemo or Crosas are better players than Barry Robson, Loovens is no better than McManus who despite some limitations gave everything for his team.

Keane aside, Mobray is bringing in mercenary journeymen who dont have the heart dor desire to play for this team. Hard to believe this but they were a better squad under Strachan.

The league table doesnt lie, we are a mile behind Rangers who are in disarrat!

Mobray would need to sort things out soon because at the minute he is the worst Celtic manager since Barnes.

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 07/02/2010 12:27:54    553794

I remember another 'international' celtic signed - rafael scheidt! It turned out the brazilian manager had been taking bribes from clubs to play dud players in friendlies so they can sell them to gullible european teams like celtic who (and their fans judging by nockys comments) are impressed by a player being an 'international'. Where in reality anybody who knows anything about football knows the standard of international football is far lower than club football. But hey if an 'international' does it for you nocky, celtic must have one of the best teams around. Im sure european cups are just around the corner!

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 07/02/2010 12:53:41    553817