crossman...go back a look at the footage of last years all-ireland...when cork men caught the ball cleanly they were FOULED by kerry players not blocked out of the game..if duffy had implemented the rules maybe we would have seen a cleaner spectacle..the rules are not the problem, it's the inconsistency of their application..surely it's a skill in the game if a player can work the ball clear with players around him which puts his team a t abetter advantage as they have by-passed all those players around the middle..i have seen many examples of this, but this doesn't seem to be appreciated..

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 25/01/2010 21:29:24    542419

I personally think the 'mark' is a great rule and should be introduced permanently

itsgreenandgold (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 25/01/2010 21:46:00    542459

The mark is not the problem it's the way it's been implemented that is the problem.
Also it's been mentioned that the players are getting room anyway to play on so why have the mark rule but what people are neglecting is the fact that the rule itself will make room for players because opponents now have to employ different tactics which are leading to more room for the marker to play the ball. Before they would have been surrounded.
I said before the games were played that it would be the refs and the way the rules were implemented that would determine whether it was a success or not.
Obviously so far the refs are not allowing the games to flow. If a player catches and plays on then they should be allowed to play on.

ColinWex (Wexford) - Posts: 901 - 26/01/2010 11:08:32    542631

Not hard to know why so many Tyrone men opposed to the mark - that's one of their main tactics nullified!!

supporter (Donegal) - Posts: 205 - 26/01/2010 12:38:31    542717

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County: Donegal
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542717 Not hard to know why so many Tyrone men opposed to the mark - that's one of their main tactics nullified!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Its funny cos nobodies ever said it before

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 26/01/2010 12:49:24    542736

I think the Mark is an excellent idea, but unless it is implemented correctly and refined, it could damage the game as a spectacle.

Take last year's All-Ireland final between Kerry and Cork as an example.
Both sides contained some excellent fielders in various positions outside of midfield. For Cork we had Canty, O'Neill, Cussen, Miskella, and young Colm O'Neill. Kerry had Donaghy, the departed Tommy Walsh and Mike McCarthy.

With the added value of the mark, is there a chance that in such a game, managers may be tempted to line up all the big men across the middle in the hope that one of them manages to come down with the ball?? Could we see 20 players between 45's for kickouts?

I know this happens to a degree already with Tyrone's semi against Kerry the oft cited example. But will the introduction of the mark lead to an AFL style ruck which could further hamper the ability of a man with a great catch but poor movement - like Quirke.
Of course, at the moment, inter county managers have this option but with the mark, it might just make it worth the risk of being caught out of position.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 26/01/2010 14:03:30    542841

I agree with Colin Wex. the idea is a brilliant one and has been a long time warranted in the game.It was an unofficial rule before where a player who won aclean possession wins the ball and gets a free for minimal contact thereafter by the opposition but now that its clarified will enhance the game. the fielding of the ball is one of the greater skills of our game and should be protected. i have one question though, if it takes a slight deflection or even a heavy deflection of another player, does it stiill count as a mark??

khafelnikov (Longford) - Posts: 91 - 26/01/2010 14:06:45    542848

BOGGER FROM MEATH:

I like the reference to the old rule changes....especially where Tyrone give back those All IReland medals :-)

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 26/01/2010 14:09:44    542851

Breffni39
County: Cavan
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542736 supporter
County: Donegal
Posts: 54

542717 Not hard to know why so many Tyrone men opposed to the mark - that's one of their main tactics nullified!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Its funny cos nobodies ever said it before

Actually i found that statement to be very factual Dellyboy or what ever your calling yourself this time! what i found funny was your thread about the incident at the Laois/Kildare game.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 26/01/2010 14:20:43    542857

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County: Donegal
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542717 Not hard to know why so many Tyrone men opposed to the mark - that's one of their main tactics nullified!!

Your dead right there supporter. The only people on this thread that are opposed to this experimental rule are tyrone posters. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out why.

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 26/01/2010 14:21:25    542858

If they wanted less congestion within the middle of the park they sould have brought a different rule.. ie say, when the kick-out is being taken all players must take up there starting positions, so half backs cant come in and win breaking ball forcing mid-fielders to catch. The mark is no good as the ball is still being broke.

southferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 93 - 26/01/2010 14:52:32    542889

Who's this chap mark....? A shambles is he....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 26/01/2010 14:55:30    542900

Paddyogall/thebigswitch etc etc etc

I love this. You are desperate to find something offensive or something to disagree with in my posts, but you can't so you've taken to trying to discredit me. Its quite complimentary Paddy! thanks!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 26/01/2010 15:03:47    542915

jimbodub you seem to be taking on a new sense of humour since reaching your 4000th post ?:L

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 26/01/2010 15:29:16    542978

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County: Dublin
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542978 jimbodub you seem to be taking on a new sense of humour since reaching your 4000th post ?:L

Hahaha... after every 100th post milestone one should have the capability to adapt and learn from ones mistakes!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 26/01/2010 15:35:39    542996

I think the introduction of a Mark could be to Tyrones benefit. Hughes, Cassidy, Cooney, McKenna, Cavanagh(s) are all capable of fielding high ball. It is the referees interpretation which is the problem. On Sunday McKenna made a superb catch and starting running forward in open space. He was called back to take a mark, disadvantage was played by the referee. On other occasions Tyrone caught ball midfield and no mark was given even though they were crowded out of it and there was no advantage to be played. High fielding is part of the game and should be promoted but the great fielders of our game don't need a rule introduced so that they can make a passs when they hit the ground. If the rule could be implemented fairly ( let the player call the mark) fine, otherwise it should be implemented as it slows up the game too much.

John Boss (Tyrone) - Posts: 865 - 26/01/2010 16:03:41    543039

The new rules do not suit the Northern style of play its as simple as that, as they encourage a more 'Classic' game ................... I say Bravo, its about time the GAA done something to get rid of the eye soar that Northern teams have tryed to introduce into the GAA in recent years!!!!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 26/01/2010 16:40:11    543086

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Since these rules came in these are tyrones scoring rates facts higher than any other county id say.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 26/01/2010 17:17:08    543153

i think the mark is a good idea, the swarming at every kickout was becoming ridiculous. As with any rule changes the players should asked if they want to keep it or not

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4678 - 26/01/2010 20:00:11    543354

Ciarrai Abu
County: Overseas
Posts: 503

543086 The new rules do not suit the Northern style of play its as simple as that, as they encourage a more 'Classic' game ................... I say Bravo, its about time the GAA done something to get rid of the eye soar that Northern teams have tryed to introduce into the GAA in recent years!!!!


Correct me if im wrong but did your county not retreat in2 their own half of the field for the 2nd half of last years all ireland final?? No disrespect 2 any kerry posters here it's well saying you are overseas ciarrai abu as you obviously havent saw 2 much football lately.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 26/01/2010 20:12:48    543373