I'm a goalie and am raging at these new rules. Between the peno spot being moved forward and the new square ball rules I'm at way more of a disadvantage than last year. Poxy.

Fotball (Wicklow) - Posts: 11 - 21/01/2010 18:00:55    539226

I have better things to be doing than explaining something to you which is so blatently obvious.

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 21/01/2010 18:09:53    539243

link- this is a great example of the new penalty, the only one I've seen so far. The angle is right behind the goals, the keeper went the wrong way but had he gone the right way he might have saved it. Mind you it was hit with serious power and was more like a soccer penalty than what we know as a gaelic peno.

Crossman (Down) - Posts: 153 - 21/01/2010 19:03:47    539316

How far of his line was the keeper when the ball was struck 1.5m at least despite the fact the referee gave him clear instructions "goalkeeper stay on the line if ya come off it it'll be retaken". A goal resulted from the penalty but if right was right the penalty should in fact have been retaken.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 21/01/2010 19:38:39    539358

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539316 link- this is a great example of the new penalty, the only one I've seen so far. The angle is right behind the goals, the keeper went the wrong way but had he gone the right way he might have saved it. Mind you it was hit with serious power and was more like a soccer penalty than what we know as a gaelic peno.

Crossman, surely to god its common sense that if a keeper goes the right way then he has a good chance of saving it. Is he not allowed to save it? It was a good penalty but only because the keeper went the wrong way. If he had went the right way I would have expected him to save it. If you also notice by the time he has dived the ball is nearly passed him. The important thing with this change is as Bartle Doo says, keeping the keeper on the line

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 21/01/2010 19:50:33    539379

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539358 How far of his line was the keeper when the ball was struck 1.5m at least despite the fact the referee gave him clear instructions "goalkeeper stay on the line if ya come off it it'll be retaken". A goal resulted from the penalty but if right was right the penalty should in fact have been retaken.

I actually think the referee was right in this instance. Referees have the same guidance in football as they do in soccer. It's basically a case of play the advantage.

If the keeper advances early, or if a defender encroaches before the kick is taken, then the penalty is only retaken if a score does not result from it. If it is missed or saved then it is retaken.

Similarly, if another attacking player encroaches before the kick, the kick is retaken if a goal or point is scored, but play is allowed to continue if the penalty is saved and cleared, or is missed.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 21/01/2010 20:19:29    539419

black&white

The advantage rule is a very grey area is it not.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 21/01/2010 20:31:31    539439

Thanks for the excellent link Crossman. If a penalty had been hit that close to the goalie from the old 13m spot he may well have saved it. Goalkeepers are now forced to gamble and choose a side to dive toward, like in soccer, as their reaction time has been cut dramatically. Under the old rules the goalkeepers had much more reaction time and could wait until the last second before diving (if necessary).

Again, black&white is correct. Why should the referee punish the attacker who has just scored by forcing him retake the penalty just because the goalkeeper has come off his line? If the penalty was saved, then fair enough, there should be a retake, but why punish the attacker (penalty taker) for the indiscretion of the goalkeeper?

PS Bartle, sorry I wasn't able explain satisfactorily to you why it is easier to score from 11m than 13m, maybe that's why I didn't become a primary school teacher.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 21/01/2010 20:31:59    539441

Apology accepted nocky.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 21/01/2010 20:44:08    539455

omaghredhand, I meant that it wasn't struck right in the corner, it looked to be just to the side of the keeper so if he'd gone that way he probably would've saved it even tho it was hit with serious power. The serious power then becomes an issue from closer in, as has just been explained. Nocky has put this much better than me, thanks.

Crossman (Down) - Posts: 153 - 21/01/2010 21:03:28    539473

The advantage rule is a very grey area is it not.

Agreed!

But in the case of penalties it's pretty simple.

A goal is advantage to the penalty taker. If a defender offends let the goal stand. If no goal then allow a re-take.
No goal is advantage to the keeper/defenders. If an attacking player offends, let the miss/save stand. If goal scored them force them to re-take.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 22/01/2010 10:45:39    539708

If the goalkeeper/defenders and attackers all offend I imagine the penalty would have to be retaken irrespective of the outcome.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 22/01/2010 11:01:12    539739

Any penalties missed/scored over the opening weekends of the NFL? Ronaldson scored a good one for Mayo vs. Tyrone. Has the ratio scored gone up much? Does squid still think it's easier to score from 13m?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 15/02/2010 13:03:43    561626

Limerick Keeper Brendan Moran saved a penalty v Carlow on Sunday, while Conor Ranahan saved one v WIT in the McGrath cup. 100% record for Limerick keepers so far!

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 15/02/2010 13:35:51    561686