Sisco87
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also add to the fact that barca and madrid are again probably the two top team in the world at the moment. also chelsea bough any success they had.

How can you be taken seriously with statements like that? You say Chelsea bought any sucess they've had yet Madrid, who've spent as much if not more, are one of the top two teams in the world?
Okay, we get it, you don't like anything to do with England (apart from their TV shows) but you don't have to go on some mad rant everytime someone says they like an English team or the EPL.


madrid are where they are today due to what they do on the pitch. chelsea are where they are today due to being abramovich's play thing when he got bored. big difference. madrid are a real team. chelsea are a joke who are a small english team who think they're a "BIG" team, when they clearly arnt

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 27/01/2010 19:07:20    544329

32_4_1

madrid are where they are today due to what they do on the pitch. chelsea are where they are today due to being abramovich's play thing when he got bored. big difference. madrid are a real team. chelsea are a joke who are a small english team who think they're a "BIG" team, when they clearly arnt

Please define a "Big" team.

Sisco87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 759 - 27/01/2010 20:30:14    544387

If Arsenal had Fabregas today they might have got closer to United.He was a huge loss because Carrick ran the show in the absence of "the best midfielder in the prem by some distance".

And 26_4_1, Madrid are a big team.Funded by the Spanish Government.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 31/01/2010 19:17:52    547619

I knew fredrick would be around gloating after today's game. Arsenal's problem today (and all season) wasn't Fabregas, it was Denilson, Almunia, and the fact that they have no striker. Would Carrick have "run the midfield" today if he was playing for Arsenal?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 31/01/2010 20:25:49    547707

That is an argument that you and I can't prove either way and my refusal to provide an answer does not mean that it proves your point.Now how about actually answering my questions Nocky?Where there are answers.

If Arsenal's players are good enough to go to Fulham and Liverpool and get wins where United could'nt and batter Aston Villa at home where United failed miserasbly,It stand's to reason that they are good enough to beat United or at the very least compete with them.And the players best capable of taking the challenge are your main players-Gallas,Fabregas and Arhavin.

But they went missing.
When they were needed most.
Again.
And Fabregas who,by my own admission before yesterday's game, was a firm favourite for Player of the Year was as guilty as anyone.He went missing again.
Great players can grab the game by the scruff of the neck against Top teams,not just Bolton and Villa,Because as I said above Bolton and Villa are not the Yardstick.United are.
You could even say that Fabregas as a player is almost reminiscent of Arsenal as a team.Well able to do the Business against the poor teams,and in some style,but not up to the mark against the best.

Fabregas has been fond wanting consistently against the big-teams.
Where was he when Chelsea battered the Gunners in November?
Where was he when United cruised past the Gunners last May in CL semi?
Where was he yesterday?
Or is he still a baby?Who needs Vieira back to hold his hand?

The truth hurts Nocky,but it is the truth that he is a terrific TALENT who can be as good as he wants to be and provide real leadership when his team need it most or he can continue to turn on the style against weaker teams and then run and hide against the best.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 01/02/2010 11:51:38    547985

Look at United's three goals yesterday fredrick. Who did Nani walk by to get to the byline for the first goal? Who failed to track Rooney and was 3yards behind him for the second goal? Who gave the ball away for the third goal with a terrible touch? I'll give you a hint, it was an Arsenal midfielder who's name isn't Fabregas.

Fabregas didn't "go missing", he tried hard the whole game, but he was fighting a losing battle. Do you remember him whistling a shot inches over the bar from 30yards? He was involved in all Arsenal's best moves. Arsenal need a proper striker (other than the injured vanPersie), Arshavin is not suited to playing the lone front man role. They also need a better midfielder than Denilson, that might be Diaby who was injured, but I'm not sure. And they need a goalkeeper. Almunia was at fault for two of the goals yesterday.

I can't understand why Wenger won't spend all the money he reportedly has at his disposal. It seems like it's stubbornness at this stage, rather than loyalty to his young players.

Fabregas is still the best midfielder in the premiership - even Alex Ferguson thinks so, did you listen to his pre-match interview?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 01/02/2010 12:57:43    548095

Fabregas is still the best midfield player in the premiership. Just bacause he plays one bad game diesnt change that fact

zidane (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 01/02/2010 13:07:22    548106

And 26_4_1, Madrid are a big team.Funded by the Spanish Government.

even if they are, it still wouldnt change the fact they were already a big team boforehand, which makes the above point irrelevant

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 01/02/2010 17:49:14    548484

3241, Liverpool were a big team once as well but they don't have the British Government to fund any whimsical speending spree they want

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 01/02/2010 17:59:36    548497

bad.monkey
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He is a good player but not the best in the league for sure .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 01/02/2010 18:41:29    548546

omaghredhand
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548497 3241, Liverpool were a big team once as well

and they still are so another irrelevant point

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 01/02/2010 19:16:24    548601

Fabregas is still Spain's 5th or 6th best mid fielder despite being outnumbered in yesterday's game.

You can't judge anyone on one game.

Otherwise we would think Nani was a star.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 01/02/2010 19:48:25    548641

he is the best midfielder in the premiership by a distance at the moment and one of the best in the world.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 01/02/2010 19:52:12    548645

Undoubtably the best midfielder in the Premiership, always seems to have time on the ball. He's unlucky that's he's competing with Iniesta and Xavi for a spot in the Spanish midfield, them two really are the best in the World. Was great watching United chase shadows against them in last year's CL final, Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson etc. simply are nowhere near that level

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 02/02/2010 09:50:57    548938

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548938 Undoubtably the best midfielder in the Premiership, always seems to have time on the ball. He's unlucky that's he's competing with Iniesta and Xavi for a spot in the Spanish midfield, them two really are the best in the World. Was great watching United chase shadows against them in last year's CL final, Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson etc. simply are nowhere near that level

Fletcher did'nt play in that final.And Carrick and Anderson won the CL the year before beating Barca in the semi holding them scoreless over 2 legs,something a lot of posters on here seem to forget.

I still say I would have Lampard and even Essien ahead of him because they have proven themselves at the business end of things.Ferguson was referring to Fabregas being the best mid-fielder ON FORM in the prem something I have also suggested in a previous post but remember lads as if ye were'nt reminded of it on sunday-Form is temporry Class is permanent.
All the great players INSPIRE their colleagues to up their performance.Fabregs has a distinct lack of leadership.He was far from being the gunners worst player but using the petty argument that "well he was'nt great but was'nt as bad as Clichy,Almunia or Nasri" wont wash.
He had a 30 yard shot wiz over the bar???HaHa That is always a sign f a great player is'nt it?
I remain unmoved.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 02/02/2010 10:24:55    548970

Fletcher did'nt play in that final.And Carrick and Anderson won the CL the year before beating Barca in the semi holding them scoreless over 2 legs,something a lot of posters on here seem to forget.

and i think you seem to forget barca were a mess going into that game. messi had been out injured for weeks and barca were in the middle of a run where they ended up going 9 games without scoring. but they still rose to the occassion while uniteds backs were against the wall. they needed a fluke to beat this barca team. had barca a forward to link with messi barca would have destroyed them. anderson and carrick were chasing shodows over those two legs aswell. that barca team was a shadow of they one united played in rome and united got a hammering. they were lucky it wasnt 10-0. the difference in quality between barca and united would be something similar to the difference in quality between united and rotherham. in 08 uniteds team cost millions more than barcas yet they were still afraid and unable to play barca in a real game of football

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 02/02/2010 11:17:48    549040

the difference in quality between barca and united would be something similar to the difference in quality between united and rotherham


There you go.
Proof if it were needed that this guy knows his football.

arise to the acclaim 26.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 02/02/2010 13:08:46    549202

fredrick still can't accept that the midfielder who has scored the most goals and has the most assists in the premiership is the best midfielder, despite his own hero, Sir Alex Ferguson saying so. Ferguson identified Fabregas before the game and his whole gameplan was based around stopping him playing at all costs.

Essien has done nothing this season, and Lampard has been poor until the last couple of games. Fabregas plays with inferior players and carries a much bigger burden. Arsenal have no striker, and Denilson etc. aren't nearly as good as players at United and Chelsea. If you're looking for a player who is responsible for Arsenal's loss to United you should look somewhere other than at Fabregas.

By your logic Fabregas should be expected to dominate every single game and make his left back, defensive midfielder, goalkeeper etc. into players they are not and to perform at a level they just not have the ability to do. Just because Fabregas plays for an inferior team to Lampard, Essien etc., doesn't make him a worse midfielder.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 02/02/2010 13:31:08    549226

I have not read any of the posts bar the first in this thread. I think picking any one player out as 'the best' is dangerous. You can only really assess the best in any position at the end of the season.

That said were I a manager of any top team I would want Fabregas available. He is a terriffic player but I do think the only club he would consider leaving Arsenal for is Barcelona. His skill, passing, ability to run at defences, maturity & great football brain mark him down as a superb player.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 02/02/2010 14:03:09    549270

32_4_1
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and i think you seem to forget barca were a mess going into that game. messi had been out injured for weeks and barca were in the middle of a run where they ended up going 9 games without scoring. but they still rose to the occassion while uniteds backs were against the wall. they needed a fluke to beat this barca team. had barca a forward to link with messi barca would have destroyed them. anderson and carrick were chasing shodows over those two legs aswell. that barca team was a shadow of they one united played in rome and united got a hammering. they were lucky it wasnt 10-0. the difference in quality between barca and united would be something similar to the difference in quality between united and rotherham. in 08 uniteds team cost millions more than barcas yet they were still afraid and unable to play barca in a real game of football

Hahahahahaha, Pure, unadulterated comedy gold. I'm embarrassed for you! You literally have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Its astonishing! You can't be real?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12376 - 02/02/2010 14:23:20    549292