32_4_1
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United on the other hand play in the most popular league in the world.

finally. your seeing the light. in your estimate its now gone from the best in the world to the most popular. so, i can now only assume your implying the spanish is the best. but we already knew that



Hoist by his own own petard.

At the moment Spain is best, but I still like the Italian game.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 25/01/2010 18:53:44    542214

for the spanish league to prove to be the best league in the world then spanish teams have to make up the majority of teams in the latter stages of the champions league consistantly. there isnt another way to compare the leagues, anything else is opinion no matter how much some people assume their opinion to be fact.
as for now the premiership has had the majority of teams in the latter stages so until this changes (maybe it will be this year and next) people can say what they want but, i dont see why its such a big topic anyway sure the top teams are although they have different styles they arent miles apart and it swings for season to season

speedy12 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 592 - 26/01/2010 14:00:01    542838

so speedy, the top few teams from each league represent both leagues as a whole?

anytime lower opposition in both league meet spain normally come out on top. remember sevilles thrashing of middlesborough or villareals demolition of everton just to name a few.

also the lower teams in spain can actually prove themselves on a bigger stage. remember celta vigo? destroying liverpool. getting to the last 16 in the champions league. or what about deportivo? champions league semi final. or what about tiny tiny villareal? another champions league semi-final and to put it into perspective they are a club about the same size as bolton. now imagine bolton even in the champions league. or we have valencia. two time runners up in the champions league. or seveille. uefa cup winners and have topped their group in qualifying this year. or what about espanyol? got to the uefa cup final. or what about real betis. unlucky not to get out of the group stages of the champions league. held liverpool and beat chelsea. top opposition from england being beaten and held by nobodys from spain. and all these results in recent history.

so until some other english team from the premiership does something of note which even comes close to any of the mentioned above achievments, spain WILL ALWAYS have a better league as a whole. also add to the fact that barca and madrid are again probably the two top team in the world at the moment. also chelsea bough any success they had. they cant be taken seriously and english teams have been living off luck and flukes in europe. 99, 05, liverpool v olympiacos 05 etc

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 26/01/2010 15:32:28    542988

I suppose you're right 32_4_1. If you ignore everything premiership teams achieve or pass it off as fluke. Honestly, you couldn't make up the stuff you write. You harbour some very very strange resentments. Open your eyes and just enjoy football for what it is, instead trying to distort reality to suit peculiar grudges.

Did Richard Keyes steal your bun as a gasson or what?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12376 - 26/01/2010 15:52:00    543020

Did Richard Keyes steal your bun as a gasson or what?

on a more series note, when did richard keyes lose all the hair on his hands?

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 26/01/2010 15:57:04    543029

If you ignore everything premiership teams achieve or pass it off as fluke.

thats a seperate point to the arguement. even if i didnt "ignore or pass it off as a fluke" it wouldnt matter as its still only the achievments of the bigger clubs in england. the main arguement was, which was the better league overall. now name something of note (apart from leeds) that an english club has achieved in recent history on european level that compares to anything the smaller spanish sides have achieved

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 26/01/2010 17:10:54    543138

amd i forgot to mention sevilla won the uefa cup twice along with valencia once

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 26/01/2010 17:13:13    543144

and dont forget deportivo alavés amazing run to the uefa cup final only to be beaten on penalties. to put that into perspective they are a club who would be about the same size as swansea. now imagine swansea in a uefa cup final. spains overall league is far superior than englands. and i dont have a grudge. i just hate it when the british media hype themselves and their football into something they arnt and everyone here believes it. sure on a thread not so long ago people were tipping england to win the world cup AGAIN. some people just never learn and believe everything they hear

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 26/01/2010 17:24:08    543169

speedy12
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for the spanish league to prove to be the best league in the world then spanish teams have to make up the majority of teams in the latter stages of the champions league consistantly


That shows who has the most money, or in the case of Chelsea, man United and Liverpool, the most debt.

In the EUFA cup or Europa league or whatever, mediocre Portuguese teams are beating the 5th best team in England 7-0.

That would illustrate a lack of depth inthe premiership, which was marked until this year. This year the "big 4" cannot afford to have any more debt.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 26/01/2010 18:13:20    543228

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so speedy, the top few teams from each league represent both leagues as a whole?

anytime lower opposition in both league meet spain normally come out on top. remember sevilles thrashing of middlesborough or villareals demolition of everton just to name a few.

also the lower teams in spain can actually prove themselves on a bigger stage. remember celta vigo? destroying liverpool. getting to the last 16 in the champions league. or what about deportivo? champions league semi final. or what about tiny tiny villareal? another champions league semi-final and to put it into perspective they are a club about the same size as bolton. now imagine bolton even in the champions league. or we have valencia. two time runners up in the champions league. or seveille. uefa cup winners and have topped their group in qualifying this year. or what about espanyol? got to the uefa cup final. or what about real betis. unlucky not to get out of the group stages of the champions league. held liverpool and beat chelsea. top opposition from england being beaten and held by nobodys from spain. and all these results in recent history.



The above says it all.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 26/01/2010 18:14:16    543229

32_4_1
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also add to the fact that barca and madrid are again probably the two top team in the world at the moment. also chelsea bough any success they had.

How can you be taken seriously with statements like that? You say Chelsea bought any sucess they've had yet Madrid, who've spent as much if not more, are one of the top two teams in the world?
Okay, we get it, you don't like anything to do with England (apart from their TV shows) but you don't have to go on some mad rant everytime someone says they like an English team or the EPL.

Sisco87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 759 - 26/01/2010 19:20:29    543307

The UEFA Cup is a joke, most English teams put in reserve teams at best these days. It says it all when Rangers and Celtic can make recent finals, both from probably one of the worst leagues in Europe.

Micky Mouse 32-4-1 Micky Mouse. This competition was reasonable before UEFA increased the number of clubs aloud to enter the Champions League from the major leagues in Europe. Since those changes the competition has become a distraction for any club trying to qualify for the Champions league in their own Championship. Villa last year for example. I am sure most Liverpool fans are dreading the competition this year.

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 26/01/2010 19:40:21    543327

well mancirish, explain smaller spanish sides (villareal population 50000, stadium capacity 20,000 etc) far far far superior champions league form to the smaller english sides.


The UEFA Cup is a joke, most English teams put in reserve teams at best these days

no they dont. and we only have your world for that. same would then apply to the spanish teams so same difference. spanish league is superior

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 26/01/2010 20:31:41    543402

as a united fan i have to admit that fabregas is one of the best midfield players in the league. The only one that can get close to him is liverpool lucas!!!!!!!

donkeykong (Fermanagh) - Posts: 147 - 26/01/2010 21:53:27    543554

Why can I not mention Leeds? Cos they bankrupted themselves? In that case you can't use Valencia in any arguments.

Sevilla and Valencia are not the spanish equivalents of Bolton mate, they are big traditional clubs.

Sevilla, one of the biggest clubs in Spain, beat Middlesborough, of the championship, in the UEFA cup. I know where the real achievement is there. Its like Alaves' amazing feat. And for the record they lost on a golden own goal not on penalties.

Its not that long ago that Bolton (since you keep bringing them up) knocked Athletico Madrid out of Europe.

You know you're straining to do some explaining when you bring Real into the equation cos if it suited you in an argument you'd say that they were useless.

The Spanish league is a great league, don't get me wrong, I'm a realist, but Barcalona are the only ones with anything to crow about ahead of Utd Arsenal Liverpool and Chelsea. That's not begrudging or anything, like I say, I like the Spanish league, its just reality.

That being said I do think that overall the Spanish league is that little better, but only marginally, not so much that I'd fly into a furious rage if someone suggested otherwise. The football is more technical and fluid but less fast and a bit soft to be honest. It depends on what you are into really, slow football, fast football or hating anything English when it suits you.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12376 - 27/01/2010 10:41:26    543669

Why can I not mention Leeds? Cos they bankrupted themselves? In that case you can't use Valencia in any arguments.

by saying "apart" from leeds i acknowleged their achievment of getting to the semi's of the champions league (getting beat by a spanish side in the end). but name something else of note a smaller english team has done in recent history in comparison to some of the smaller spanish sides. and valencia arnt backrupt

Sevilla and Valencia are not the spanish equivalents of Bolton mate, they are big traditional clubs.

read my comments again. i never said valencia or seville were boltons equivalents. i said villareal were.

how am i straining? i dont like madrid (hate them) but they are the biggest and most successful team ever

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 27/01/2010 13:16:34    543844

32_4_1
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how am i straining? i dont like madrid (hate them) but they are the biggest and most successful team ever

Exactly how far back is "the recent past"? You're moving the goalposts now to include "all time" cos it happens to suit your ends.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12376 - 27/01/2010 14:22:19    543918

Lads 26_4_1 is always goin to move the goalposts in an argument,if you it's black he'll say it's white.He is only a young gosson whose best friends are google and wikipedia.26 you should get out more.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 27/01/2010 15:39:58    544015

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The UEFA Cup is a joke, most English teams put in reserve teams at best these days. It says it all when Rangers and Celtic can make recent finals,



It does indeed. And English teams, 3 of whom were beaten by Celtic, can't make the final.

So what does that tell us about the debth of the premiership? Just behind the Irish league perhaps?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/01/2010 18:37:03    544298

how am i the one straining the goalposts. your the one who started talking about the bigger english clubs success after my post of what the smaller spanish sides achieved.

read back on posts again and you'll see when i mentioned madrid it was a seperate point, completely seperate to the smaller spanish sides recent history arguement. it looks like you've picked that up wrong, along with the bolton comment, and started telling lies about valenica. and they were all replies to prove me wrong.

im still awaiting an answer as to anything of note the smaller english teams have achieved to be only slightly worse than spain. the smaller spainish sides achievments of late tower over their english counterparts. yet we still have a lot of people on here who reckon the english league is better due to the lies spread by skysports and the english media, hyping themselves up and saying its the best.

shouldnt start slagging me fred, just because your football knowledge is limited to england and man united

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4160 - 27/01/2010 19:01:04    544324