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Should Dublin have a couple of Sams deducted?

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link Amazing all-ireland football final facts - The highest attendance ever recorded at an All-Ireland Senior Football Final was 90,556 at the 1961 Down v Offaly final. Following the introduction of seating to the Cusack Stand in 1966, the largest crowd recorded since has been reduced to 73,588. Next Sunday's attendance in excess of 82,000 will be the largest since 1953 when Kerry defeated Armagh before a crowd of 86,155. - The highest number of appearances in the All-Ireland senior football final is 10. This has been achieved by Kerry's Paudie O'Shea, Pat Spillane and Dennis 'Ogie' Moran who each won eight All-Ireland medals. - The highest individual score in the modern 70 minute game was recorded by Jimmy Keaveney (Dublin) in the 1977 final against Armagh where he scored two goals and six points (2-6), and also by Mike Sheehy (Kerry) in the 1979 final against Dublin where he also scored two goals and six points (2-6). - In 1888 the first All Ireland took place in Birr. 1912 saw the beginning of the present series of All-Ireland finals in Croke Park. - In 1899 the Croke Cups were presented to All-Ireland champions. The old Sam Maguire Cup was first played for in 1928 and the first recipient was Bill Gannon the Kildare Captain. - In the early years all the players from both teams, including the goalkeepers, lined up in the middle of the field for the "throw in". - In the early years counties were represented in the all-Ireland series by their club champions. In the first all-Ireland football final Limerick Commercials defeated Dundalk Young Irelands in 1887. - Since the first All-Ireland Senior football final in 1887, Kerry lead the role of honour by winning 32 titles. - Only Kerry (twice) and Wexford have won titles in four successive years. - In the mid-90s, Down, Donegal, Derry, Down won the Sam Maguire Cup, the first time a province has retained the championship for more than two consecutive years. - When Cavan defeated Meath in the 1952 All-Ireland final Des and Liam Maguire played on the successful Cavan team while their younger brother Brendan was midfield on the losing Meath team. - The first player to be sent off in an all Ireland football final was Joe Stafford of Cavan in 1943. - Peter McDermott refereed the 1953 all-Ireland final and captained Meath to victory in 1954. - The only footballer to win all-Ireland medals in a 60-minute final, a 70-minute final and an 80-minute final was Brendan Lynch of Kerry. - When Dublin played Galway in the 1942 all-Ireland football final three of the four midfielders were natives of Dingle, Co. Kerry - Five Delaney brothers played for Laois in the 1936 football final when they were defeated by Mayo. Their uncle Tom was in goals. - Former Taoiseach Jack Lynch won six All-Ireland medals in a row for Cork from 1941 to 1946. Five in hurling and one in football. - Dublin won the all-Ireland football title in 1906 and 1907 with players from 10 different counties but had none from Dublin itself. - Patsy Lynch of Cavan at 16 years of age was the youngest player ever to play in an all-Ireland football final (1928). - The first radio broadcast by Paddy Mehigan of an All-Ireland football final was in 1926. 'The voice of GAA' - Micheal O'Hehir made his All-Ireland football final debut in 1938. - Aston Villa manager Martin O'Neill played his last game of Gaelic football in the All-Ireland minor final of 1980. He missed a penalty in Derry's defeat by Kerry. - Mick Doyle of Kerry had won four all-Ireland senior football medals before his 21st birthday. (1929 to 1932).

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 18/01/2010 13:05:14    535866

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Dublin won the all-Ireland football title in 1906 and 1907 with players from 10 different counties but had none from Dublin itself

When Dublin played Galway in the 1942 all-Ireland football final three of the four midfielders were natives of Dingle, Co. Kerry

The first one strange no dublin players and the second one players fron kerry .Well wait to see the dubs response to this.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/01/2010 13:24:34    535892

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well said pudders. I have stated this fact many times on here and have been slated for it. The only time dublin were actually any good at football was when they had culchies playin for them! Its gas

They should prob be allowed to keep their 1995 all ireland but thats about it

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 18/01/2010 13:25:17    535894

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That did make me chuckle pudders. On a separate note, who would the All-Irelands be awarded to if Dublin were stripped of em?!

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 18/01/2010 13:36:22    535916

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Tongo, good point, Cork, so we'll let Dublin keep them.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 18/01/2010 13:43:50    535929

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Tongo
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535916 That did make me chuckle pudders. On a separate note, who would the All-Irelands be awarded to if Dublin were stripped of em?!

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I imagine it should be Cork would you agree.

1906
Athy Dublin 0-5; Cork 0-4
1907
Athy Dublin 0-6; Cork 0-2

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squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 18/01/2010 13:51:12    535946

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Pudder, here's a better statistic. Dublin won 6 All-Ireland hurling titles with just 1 (ONE) Dublin born player. The last number of these succesful Dublin Teams were primarily made up of members of the Garda. Commisioner Eoin O'Duffy transfered all the good hurlers from around the country who were in the guards at that time to dublin and insisted they play for Dublin.

Diego (Meath) - Posts: 1205 - 18/01/2010 13:57:41    535963

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Dellboypolecat
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535892 Dublin won the all-Ireland football title in 1906 and 1907 with players from 10 different counties but had none from Dublin itself

When Dublin played Galway in the 1942 all-Ireland football final three of the four midfielders were natives of Dingle, Co. Kerry

The first one strange no dublin players and the second one players fron kerry .Well wait to see the dubs response to this.



LOL The jealousy! The Bitterness! LOL LOL!!!!!! And another LOL for good measure LOL!!!!!!!

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 18/01/2010 14:16:33    535993

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whiterbannnas
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535894 well said pudders. I have stated this fact many times on here and have been slated for it. The only time dublin were actually any good at football was when they had culchies playin for them! Its gas

They should prob be allowed to keep their 1995 all ireland but thats about it


If there is one All Ireland they definately shouldn't be allowed is their 1995 ask any Tyrone man and he will give you at least 2 very good reasons.

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 799 - 18/01/2010 14:19:40    535997

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Well hardly jealous because yous won a all ireland with no dublin men what a disgrace ha ha and a second one with 4 kerry men.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/01/2010 14:34:18    536019

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Actually I would be happy if Dublin gave The 2 Sams to Tyrone, then they would have 5, LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 18/01/2010 14:35:58    536020

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536019 PJ
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Well hardly jealous because yous won a all ireland with no dublin men what a disgrace ha ha and a second one with 4 kerry men.


LOL LOL, Dublin have won 22 All Irelands, get over it sad man LOL LOL

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 18/01/2010 14:40:06    536027

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The is a Canadian playig football with a certain county in Ireland, guess who????? And sorry Lads it ain't Dublin LOL

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 18/01/2010 14:42:41    536032

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PJ

With other county men yeah nice one and how many did yous buy hmmm that is all.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/01/2010 14:47:19    536039

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PJ, Why are you getting on dells case when Pudders created the thread and hjghlighted the "offending" facts?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 18/01/2010 14:52:40    536049

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Dellboypolecat
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536039 PJ

With other county men yeah nice one and how many did yous buy hmmm that is all.

22 All Irelands in the bag dell, tyrone have some catching up to do, maybe get a few more Canadians in LOL

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 18/01/2010 14:53:40    536051

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Breffni39

I would like to know that as well or maybe am the target once again on hoganstand in threads i do not start up . Well spotted.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/01/2010 14:56:44    536056

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Dellboypolecat
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536019 PJ
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Well hardly jealous because yous won a all ireland with no dublin men what a disgrace ha ha and a second one with 4 kerry men.

"When Dublin played Galway in the 1942 all-Ireland football final three of the four midfielders were natives of Dingle, Co. Kerry"

Dell, I think you might find that Dublin didn't play with 4 midfielders that day....maybe of the 2 dubs and 2 galway men, 3 were from Kerry not as you are supposing....but as a cat I'll let you off.

Interesting stat on the hurling..........but we'll let them keep those as well as we'd only be giving another 2 to Cork and one to Tipp. I wouldn't begrugde Waterford, Clare or Galway though. So we'll reduce Dublin's Liams by 3.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 18/01/2010 15:00:30    536061

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Can I just say this thread is down right disrespectful to the men, no matter where they were from, who trained and played for Dublin in those years.
They wore a blue shirt with pride and honour and won Sam for that shirt. They were proud to do so.
And now Pudders and Del and all these other lads with an axe to grind with Dublin GAA are completely disrespecting the memory and achievments of those men, saying they should be postheumusly stripped of their All Ireland Medals....
Its actually a disgraceful thread.

Mikeynora (Limerick) - Posts: 888 - 18/01/2010 15:06:16    536076

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Well hurling was non existent here for best part of two centuries so hardly a surprise that early county teams were mainly non natives. At least however, thanks to those early immigrants from Tipp and Kilkenny and elsewhere hurling did establish firm roots and the 61 team that reached the final were all Dubs except for Paddy Croke. Rules in 30s and 40s meant that inter county players had to declare for the county in which they lived which meant that Dublin benefitted in terms of titles although arguably that prevented development of strong home born teams until the 50s.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 18/01/2010 15:11:53    536091

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