Hag & Cheese, "an inefficient and overpaid sector" You have some cheek when you don't even know what kind of work i do, typical comment of someone whose ignorance knows no bounds. As i said on an earlier thread there is dead wood to be found in either sector but you choose to attack one !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/12/2009 22:16:14    511461

slasher:

again you pick and choose what you want this time you picked the part of my statement read the whole lot

"Their had to be cuts in what is an innefficent and over paid sector. An no i'm not saying public servants aren't working i'm saying public service processes are out-dated throwing extra resources at something dosen't always make something better it can make it worse!!"

It's 20% more than the private sector equivalent most doing the same job the same way for 30 odd years not a lot of use of technology that's what i'm getting at. you saying there nothing you change about your job so things would be done better. I done study and reports in uni on the of how to improve the health sector, improvements and savings i kinda know what i talking about so it's not ignornace. So there nothing wrong at all with the way public sector is structured and run?

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 11/12/2009 22:42:39    511499

slasher,what im trying to say is,the company i work for is losing money so im accepting the pay cuts and 3 day weeks because it needs to be done.you work for the country,its losing money,take the cut and cop on.

shapes42 (Cavan) - Posts: 383 - 12/12/2009 12:22:27    511743

shapes, i will cop on when the people who caused the problems cop on and at least admit their guilt, good man !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 12:53:42    511759

slasher:

"It is time for the Public Sector to fightback against the budget cuts !! "

I thought your call to action was about money not appologies??

If that's the public sector's view say it to messers cowen and lenihan then they cuts can be done without and whinging or protests..... cuase the way yer going on it all seems to be about the money.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 14:46:55    511827

Should they also appolgise for over paying the public sector.... Looking back to the boom i can say that i was overpaid (but the difference is i can admit it) not that i didn't work hard but money was being thrown everywhere we see then when times are hard cuts have to be made.

Simple fact is ireland has lost it's compeditive advantage due to inflated wages and if the public sector is bench marked as ye demanded then it goes without saying they are also overpaid in this current climate what's the difference with the public sector.... can you explain why not??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 14:52:03    511829

Hag & Cheese, i have no doubts that if any sector was overpaid it was the Private Sector and if you had read my posts you would have seen where i said that i was cut very little because i am now on a 3 day week. You would also have seen that i felt for the younger people who have big mortgages, childcare bill etc. Please heed your own advice and don't select small pieces of my posts. Good man !!

P.S. I will still fight for the smaller man !! You can stay a serf !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 15:48:59    511848

Hag & Cheese, the final sentence of your last post makes no sense to me at all !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 15:52:47    511849

have an ould read of
"Report of the Public Service Benchmarking Body" 2007

http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/publications/Benchmarking/2ndBmarkreport.pdf

government planned for a deficits of -0.4% of GDP this year this was before the finincial crisis (currently running at -12.7%), so have a read of this 240 pages you'll see yer doing alright!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 16:19:17    511861

Slasher forgive me, what i was trying to say is why shouldn't the public sector have pay cuts.

"P.S. I will still fight for the smaller man !! You can stay a serf !! " by taking away services that should be provided to the public???

If the public service feel so bad about it fight on their own time my fight will not be letting these cowboy polititians back in we put them there so we are partly to blame sure wasn't bertie a loveable ould rouge.

Also a definition of benchmarking for you seen as i'm studying it here
"Benchmarking measures an orgainisations product, services and processes to establish targets priorities and improvement leading to competitive advantage and/or cost reduction"
ask yourself did the governments bench marking achieve any of this, if they bench marked services against other countries even companies that could have made savings and a smaller public sector thus easy to keep salaries up but no one thought to do that instead we'll throw some dosh as em and keep em sweet.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 17:09:25    511896

hag & Cheese, yes i signed up to benchmarking and carried out my work in the efficient manner required by it !! Now who broke the deal ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 17:27:00    511912

A sad sad quest you are attempting to engage upon slash, as sad sad quest!!

The country is broke and you guys haven't yet smelt the coffee!! Not one of you were on the streets to protest about how the bankers and government broke us. Just on the streets to save yourselves. These public sector 'protests' are an act of selfishness equal to the banks screwing us and the Government looking on. Let's hope they don't look on any more.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 12/12/2009 17:28:53    511914

Granted signed up alright

"improvement leading to competitive advantage and/or cost reduction" where the evident of either of these factors. Benchmarking should have lead to better processes less resources and hence reduction in costs..... their "benchmarking" was a load of ould coddle!

I waited 4 months for my dole to finally come threw for example how efficent was that they took on 100's if not 1000's of contract employee's throwing resources at it which had the effect of making it worst. One person in the dole office said "none of them know what their doing" when i posed that question to them that's always been their answer throw more people at it ... some private sector industries have reduced functions that would have taken up to a month down to a couple of days thats what bench marking should have done. Im in no way saying that the private sector is perfect as a whole but if they use terms like bench marking there should be some positive results... all it achieved was above parity wages for the public sector. I'm not saying they shouldn't have got increase as part of it but with the "bench marking" they did shuld mean they should be "bench marked" back down which happened in the last budget.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 18:31:59    511946

also "efficient manner" if you don't mind me asking did it mean things changed or that you just worked harder cause if that's the latter that's not benchmarking.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 18:33:42    511949

Hag & Cheese, please now lad, i know exactly what benchmarking is !! R.L.F. The only sad thing i see is that people like you take everything lying down, no fight at all !! I would love to know what job you do. I notice you made a distinction between the Banks and the Government, maybe thats a clue to where your allegiance lies. Most people blame both !! I have no difficulty protesting against anything i feel is unjust and you would not believe the amount of things i have protested about over the years. I was not a couch potato with opinions on everything yet let others do my protesting. Sad really !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 19:45:09    512004

R.L.F. and i even went over to Dundalk in your own county to protest about the running down and probable future closure of the Louth Hospital as i see this as the ordinary man taking another hit. They are running down that hospital and sending people to Drogheda where there is a 6 hour wait because things are not even in place. It was Public Sector nurses who spoke that night about how bad things were and brought this to the notice of the citizens of Dundalk. I wonder did you go on that march seeing as you live in the county. I doubt it very much !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 19:51:46    512014

"Hag & Cheese, please now lad, i know exactly what benchmarking is !!" didn't answer my question did anything change or did ye just work harder?

As for the hospital i sympathise but you when you she said how bad things were, updating practise and processes would have fixed these instead money was thrown at it until they had no more money to throw thus saying the needed to close it. Just validates what i was saying about benchmarking. The protest shouldn't have been about closure they should have been years and months before about squandered money.
It always been the way throwing money at resources get this we've more doctors and nurses per head of population than that of Australia, the UK, the US and Canada, also nearly twice the eu average of 9.6 per 1000, yet hospital capacity is only 2.7 per 1000 of the population lower than the e.u average of 3.8. Ireland lags behind in healthcare technologies too.

What does that tell you too public servants and not enough places to work, all they've done is fire fight with resources money spent badly. It's the same in a lot of public sectors, sure we've making loads of jobs that all anoyone wants. No yer wasting money!!!!

What do you make of that

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 20:45:08    512084

You missed my point Hag. They are going to close hospitals and introduce regional centres of excellence. The problem is that the centres of excellence are not even built yet and they are running down the services that people require now. No services in Dundalk or Monaghan and people queued up on trollies in Cavan and Drogheda. Regardless of how many nurses there are they cannot work in those conditions and ordinary people suffer.

As regards the benchmarking of course there were changes to work practices but not always for the better which in itself leads to extra work but the ordinary workers would never be consulted !!
What kind of work do you do, no need to be specific ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 21:21:33    512118

I agree that is a shame but you can't deny that they are over staffed, money needed to be invested in facilities and technology. If they give the workers the proper tools you need less workers and you get better quality. The japanese have been doing it since the 40's.

I also agree that the public workers should have been consulted on practises, but the bureaucracy dosen't help there either. Look at the pulse system they introduced for the gards you think they's consult the gards on the type of system to build.

I still stick by my point there has to be cuts ideally in numbers but that's not going to happen so it has to be wages.

I'm a student doing a masters.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2009 22:22:38    512164

hag & Cheese, they are getting their cuts in numbers everywhere in the Public Sector with the embargo until 2011. Thousands have left and will not be replaced. Many newly trained nurses have emigrated after having millions spent on training them !! Anyway good luck with the masters, hope its worth it and that you get work here !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/12/2009 22:48:53    512175