Heel over the Yucca plant. Throw your shoes in the toilet. Do your wee-wee on the carpet.

BELLYMAN (Wexford) - Posts: 157 - 11/12/2009 15:35:58    510921

Or just be yellow bellied and let it all happen !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/12/2009 16:13:55    510970

Problem is the Government and bosses managed to turn this into a Public V Private V unemployed argument, who should all be on the same side.

That is what we are trying to avoid up here, keep it simple Worker's V Government

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/12/2009 18:22:44    511152

Or sensible and realise it has to happen...

You might find this a bit more unjust??

Person made redundant whats to go back to college rather than sit on the dole.
Plan A, applies for back to education from social welfare.
option 1 are you unemployed for 6 months "no sorry 2 weeks short of that"
option 2 were you made statratory redundant "nope 2 weeks short of 2 years in my last job"

Sorry we can't help you.

Plan B.
Apply for a grant.
Sorry you moved home a week ago after living independantly for 12 years so now your means tested against you parents (retired but still dates back to last year's pay) and also personal earning from last year = no grant.

No help from local polititions.... chasing them for months.
This is after never getting hand outs working for the last 12 odd years so don't talk to me about what ye think ye deserve!
And to be honest there a lot more worst off that what's stated above cop on and get with the program!

Don't bang on about injustices ye bloody well don't know how good ye have it. Over paid secure jobs hence no fear and complain about everything! Yer holding the country to ransom not the government!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 11/12/2009 18:35:01    511171

patrique

This really about money!!! simple fact is there isn't enough to pay the public sector like there was. But they can't understand that.

I think we are all united against the government and they see that come the next election!

But the public v private divide has been created by the public sector... there a financial crisis going on yet they can't accept cuts without kicking up a ruckus! Their public servants their actions of late are not serving the public.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 11/12/2009 18:58:59    511199

It already has happened. Those of us who live and work in the real world know this.
Others in fairy dreamland think the country owes them a living and no hard times should ever
be allowed to intrude on their cossetted lives.
Next step is to cut out all the dead wood from the HSE, Gov. quangos, county councils etc.

BELLYMAN (Wexford) - Posts: 157 - 11/12/2009 19:04:21    511207

Patrique - A few questions, just out of curiosity.
I believe you are a resident of N.I. which is part of the U.K. and you are a civil servant who receives his pay
from the U.K. gov.
I) So when you say we should all be against "the government" which one are you talking about. The gov. of N.I. or the U.K.
or the Republic.
II) I don't understand why you would be against the gov. of the Republic since it has nothing got to do with you or the other two
since they pay your wages.
III) Are you against gov. in all shapes and forms.

RAM85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 978 - 11/12/2009 19:37:47    511254

BELLYMAN
County: Wexford
Posts: 128

511207 It already has happened. Those of us who live and work in the real world know this.
Others in fairy dreamland think the country owes them a living and no hard times should ever
be allowed to intrude on their cossetted lives.
Next step is to cut out all the dead wood from the HSE, Gov. quangos, county councils etc.

Are you of Enda Kennys view that the most successful semi state in Ireland Bord Gais is a Quango?

From Ex Enda Kenny/Fine Gael fan
Paddy

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 11/12/2009 20:03:51    511295

RAM85 County: Westmeath Posts: 782 511254 Patrique - A few questions, just out of curiosity. I believe you are a resident of N.I. which is part of the U.K. and you are a civil servant who receives his pay from the U.K. gov. I) So when you say we should all be against "the government" which one are you talking about. The gov. of N.I. or the U.K. or the Republic. II) I don't understand why you would be against the gov. of the Republic since it has nothing got to do with you or the other two since they pay your wages. III) Are you against gov. in all shapes and forms. 1: I receive my pay from the NORTHERN IRELAND government. things have changed up here since you last looked obviously. 2: The ROI government has something to do with me. Not so long since i was an adviser to Ministers in the "Rainbow Coalition" as I was in the same party as Gilmore, Liz, Pat Rabbitte, Proinsias, Eric Byrne and the rest. We were an all island party. People from the North play an active role in politics down south, including the President. 3: Of course I am not opposed to all governments. That would be anarchy. Sweden had a wonderful socialist government for years and years. Others could try to emulate such a system, but alas greed overcomes all.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/12/2009 20:07:19    511297

It the government fault throwning money into the public service on hiring more people McCreevey's mantra "I have it so i'll spend it" if they invested in a more efficent public service improving processes that would have been money best spent. You havn't expirenced the welfare system it still mostly paper based in this day and age!! We now have a massive public service we can't afford. We'er stuck with it now so there has to be cuts. If say the HSE was privitised do u think it would be in the state it is now??

We've a free market as Ulsterman stated when the dot com bubble burst in 2001 should have set the alarm bells ringing but after that they propped the economy up on construction putting a band aid on it. The only way to get away from a capalist culture is fall back to the way things were in the 80's and rebuild can we do that if that's the answear there's a lot more cuts on they way.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 11/12/2009 20:07:37    511298

Some people will always get up and fight but there are others who are content to behave like the serf and let things happen !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/12/2009 20:45:43    511340

But you still work for the government and are paid by the government and you are against the government.
Does the situation not strike you as being odd. How can we take you seriously?

Feel free to use capital letters in the middle of a sentence if you feel it nesseccary.

RAM85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 978 - 11/12/2009 20:48:39    511345

The difference is fighting for a just reason and fight for the sake of it that's what the public service are doing.

Again remind me your fighting about cuts that had to be made otherwise the country would be bankrupt! Their had to be cuts in what is an innefficent and over paid sector. An no i'm not saying public servants aren't working i'm saying public service processes are out-dated throwing extra resources at something dosen't always make something better it can make it worse!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 11/12/2009 20:55:09    511354

Ram85, would you like him to give up his job ? You can fight from the inside too !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/12/2009 20:56:26    511358

10/12/2009 15:26:48
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2095

509752 I'm semi State Public sector, a very succesful semi State at that too. I'm embarressed

_______________
You're a gas man Paddy - how are the Cork people ? - have to head there tomorrow for an XMAS party.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 11/12/2009 20:59:06    511364

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 3521

510433 dhorse, i will vote for an independent next time. Look what Jackie Healy-Rae has succeeded. Persish the thoughts of having 166 of them, that sort of stuff only works on a minute scale. He and his Ilk only want to draw from the public purse.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/12/2009 21:08:30    511376

11/12/2009 20:03:51
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2095

511295 BELLYMAN
County: Wexford
Posts: 128

511207 It already has happened. Those of us who live and work in the real world know this.
Others in fairy dreamland think the country owes them a living and no hard times should ever
be allowed to intrude on their cossetted lives.
Next step is to cut out all the dead wood from the HSE, Gov. quangos, county councils etc.

Are you of Enda Kennys view that the most successful semi state in Ireland Bord Gais is a Quango?

From Ex Enda Kenny/Fine Gael fan
Paddy
_______________________
No of course bord gais is not a quango - The typical sign of a quango would be a board of directors that has a mxed bag of government appointed directors - former government advisors - union heads etc.

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 11/12/2009 21:22:26    511392

That is the way the private sector works cavan slasher, the higher earners will remove low-end earners from their jobs before they take a cut themselves. But since this isnt the case in the public sector it has to be a collective hit, a much fairer way to do it in all honesty. So my point is, before the public sector folk start tearing lumps out of those in the private sector, spare a thought for the people who had to make up the difference. The ones who lost their jobs and now dont have a hope of getting another one. These people are the real victims.

My point about the second homes still holds true, because after all the shouting and crying, actions speak louder than words. And the actions of those in the public sector clearly indicate that they can afford the ultimate luxury of a second home four times more readily than anyone else.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/12/2009 21:30:50    511406

RAM85
County: Westmeath
Posts: 785

511345
But you still work for the government and are paid by the government and you are against the government.


What are you on about?

By the way, I never said ANYTHING about the NORTHERN Ireland government, fine body of people.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/12/2009 21:36:01    511415

The Master, owning a 2nd home would depend entirely on the size of your family, the amount of disposable income, amount of existing mortgage and numerous other bills. There may be second homes owned by people in middle income Public Sector jobs i grant you but people who were self employed, self assessed and Private Sector workers to my mind had more of a chance of owning one, i know i will soon own my only home and the sooner the better !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/12/2009 22:09:15    511455