duke_raul
County: Tyrone
Posts: 84

I see you havent been on the site long. You've missed the hundreds of posts from your county men that would suggest otherwise.

I commend you for your efforts... instead of giving out about me... go spread the word! You could teach a thing or two to your fellow Ulster supporters on this site.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/11/2009 18:36:50    497707

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3734

497707 duke_raul
County: Tyrone
Posts: 84

I see you havent been on the site long. You've missed the hundreds of posts from your county men that would suggest otherwise.

I commend you for your efforts... instead of giving out about me... go spread the word! You could teach a thing or two to your fellow Ulster supporters on this site.

Maybe you shouldnt tar us all with the 1 brush i wouldnt take any of the peoples views on an internet forum as the views of every1 from a certain part of the country jim. i aint giving of just dont like the way the people from the north are portrayed on here an im only on a month or so.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 29/11/2009 18:45:40    497713

Here we go I've upset the chip on shoulders brigade.... well go vent your **** somewhere else. I've never had a bad word to say about ye.. Im not gettting involved with this North v south thing as many of you are only too happy to turn it into a 150 reply thread talking about the usual. I apologise for any offense created... but sometimes youve only yourselves to blame for peoples perceptions.. I've read hundres of posts from your fellow Ulster men on this site that would suggest otherwise. So please before pointing the finger at me... I'd suggest you go and educate some of your fellow Ulster posters to those facts that you so freely aim at me.. but again, its a lot easier to shout at the Dub. Last word from me on the subject.. apologies for any offense attended, but aim your feckin opinions a little closer to home.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/11/2009 18:47:37    497715

Jimbo and Tom, The so-called 'scare tactics' you talk about HAVE NOT BEEN DISPROVED either!! I don't believe these people were trying to scare anybody anyway - what purpose would that really serve. However, the same cannot be said about the counterarguements. The greatest scarmongering campaign since Lisbon. 'oh we'll be the shame of the country' and 'how could you do that to your neighbour' as well as 'nobody will buy a raffle tickte of us again' HORSE **** The opening of Croker was in YOUR interests anyway so stop the nonsensical talk about 'a more inclusive Ireland' type of lark. The more money Croker brings in the more the GPA will get for their Greedy Professional Association! Another point raised by the scaremongerers was that with the opening of Croker there will be 'untold goodwill towards the GAA' Well I haven't seen or experienced any of it and it's a handy one for your scarmongerers to throw up because you can't definitively say yes or no. It's a matter of opinion. But then that's how scarmongering works - throw up lots of unsubstantiated nonsensical emotional. You guys are the experts on that!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 29/11/2009 18:53:22    497722

duke_raul County: Tyrone Posts: 85 Duke in fairness I apologised. I phrased my original thread ****ways... I admit it.. but I maintain that your words would be better directed at many of your fellow Ulster posters on this site. Again. I retract the phrasing on my previous statement. I dont want to turn this into a North and South thing... this site can soon fall into mayhem when such an issue is picked up on... and many contributors to such threads will soon realise that jimbo neve comments on the issue. Go spread the word man... very refreshing to hear and again I applaud you fully for it compared to the more common... ULSTER SAYS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! comments.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/11/2009 18:53:54    497726

jimbodub County: Dublin Posts: 3737 497726 duke_raul County: Tyrone Posts: 85 Duke in fairness I apologised. I phrased my original thread ****ways... I admit it.. but I maintain that your words would be better directed at many of your fellow Ulster posters on this site. Again. I retract the phrasing on my previous statement. I dont want to turn this into a North and South thing... this site can soon fall into mayhem when such an issue is picked up on... and many contributors to such threads will soon realise that jimbo neve comments on the issue. Go spread the word man... very refreshing to hear and again I applaud you fully for it compared to the more common... ULSTER SAYS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! comments. You see jimbob you say the whole Ulster says no comments as u put it i dont think 2 many ulster posters would agree with your statement there i mean what ulster posters would ever come out with a statement like that??? i would say most of them hate that saying because i do, fair enough ulster posters or a majority of them probably disagree with croke park being opened 2 foeirgn sports when that motion was passed, now before i go on im not trying to turn this in2 a political debate, i couldnt care less about that anymore because as past few years ive learned that it doesnt matter what i think. whatevers gunna happen will happen regardless but as i say alot from the 6 counties probably disagreed with the opening of croke park an they have good reason ill tell you why, the people of the 6 counties havent had the freedom that the other 26 now enjoy, they arent free from british rule or influence so is it really that hard to accept that they might still disagree with british culture being promoted, spread throughout the north let alone being promoted in croke park at the home of irish sporting identity, maybe if theynwere part of a 32 county ireland instead of a 26 then they might have had the time for the wound to heal by now but they havent so dont be so quick to judge or label us.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 29/11/2009 22:07:19    497881

RALF The "Of one belief" group have done nothing to add to this debate apart from openly attacking the GAA and bringing their reputations as club men into disrepute. Very constructive alright... and mature but it doesn't surprise me. They have nothing else to contribute to the ongoing betterment of the organisation. What exactly is their mandate apart from saying No to everything. What is their vision for the future.. give us a different option. You chose to ignore this part of the debate. They bring nothing constructive to the table apart from insults and scare tactics spin. They have no plan of their own except to disrupt and bad mouth every positive step in the right direction. Soon soccer and rugby will be gone, memories will fade and all that will remain is the lasting memory of the GAA coming to the aid of our soccer and rugby Irshmen and Women... and giving us some of the greatest sporting occassions ever witnessed in this country, and the lasting memory of that Celtic Jersey wearing idiot outside Croke Park... protesting against British games being played in Croke Park. That shows the mentality of some of the nay sayers.. Also no county ground/club ground has been taken over by rugby/soccer supporters/players... The GAA has made millions upon millions of euro taken straight out of our competitors pockets and pumped that back into our organisation. I mean how brilliant an achievement... thanks very much Soccer/Rugby. The opening of Croke Park is in the interest of every club on this island.... nothing to do with the GPA and to suggest that Thats why I supported the move is absolute rubbish. I supported the move because it showed maturity and we helped out our fellow Irishmen/women and thats why the organisation was conceived in the first place. I mean when was the last time you saw a Louth full back play so well in Croke Park... you should savour those moments. So keep your attacks RALF because we've heard it 10 times before from you... same old stuff. Which will soon be forgotten...as the GPA takes it rightful place at the heart of the GAA. Also RALF this GPA chip is growing fairly stale... the GPA/GAA have grown up. I suggest you take note... So who exactly do you trust anymore. The GAA have overwhelmingly backed the GPA. They made it as clear as day... I'll trust them over this "Of one belief" shower anyday of the week. Any respecting GAA person should.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/11/2009 22:07:23    497882

RALF The "Of one belief" group have done nothing to add to this debate apart from openly attacking the GAA and bringing their reputations as club men into disrepute. Very constructive alright... and mature but it doesn't surprise me. They have nothing else to contribute to the ongoing betterment of the organisation. What exactly is their mandate apart from saying No to everything. What is their vision for the future.. give us a different option. You chose to ignore this part of the debate. They bring nothing constructive to the table apart from insults and scare tactics spin. They have no plan of their own except to disrupt and bad mouth every positive step in the right direction. Soon soccer and rugby will be gone, memories will fade and all that will remain is the lasting memory of the GAA coming to the aid of our soccer and rugby Irshmen and Women... and giving us some of the greatest sporting occassions ever witnessed in this country, and the lasting memory of that Celtic Jersey wearing idiot outside Croke Park... protesting against British games being played in Croke Park. That shows the mentality of some of the nay sayers.. Also no county ground/club ground has been taken over by rugby/soccer supporters/players... The GAA has made millions upon millions of euro taken straight out of our competitors pockets and pumped that back into our organisation. I mean how brilliant an achievement... thanks very much Soccer/Rugby. The opening of Croke Park is in the interest of every club on this island.... nothing to do with the GPA and to suggest that Thats why I supported the move is absolute rubbish. I supported the move because it showed maturity and we helped out our fellow Irishmen/women and thats why the organisation was conceived in the first place. I mean when was the last time you saw a Louth full back play so well in Croke Park... you should savour those moments. So keep your attacks RALF because we've heard it 10 times before from you... same old stuff. Which will soon be forgotten...as the GPA takes it rightful place at the heart of the GAA. Also RALF this GPA chip is growing fairly stale... the GPA/GAA have grown up. I suggest you take note... So who exactly do you trust anymore. The GAA have overwhelmingly backed the GPA. They made it as clear as day... I'll trust them over this "Of one belief" shower anyday of the week. Any respecting GAA person should. Pity, I thought when you started the above you were actually going to shed some new and mature light on this thread but instead it decended into the all too predicable insults about Louth football and the 'we are so enlightened that we support the opening of croke park' malarky - give me a bucket - you're a carbon copied cliche that has been played out so many times in so many other countries. How about a bit of originality! And as for these one belief folk - of whom I know nothing about and was originally scared by their name - just what debate is it that they aren't adding to? The debate started by the greedy players association about their own financial future?! catch a grip... And BTW the contempt you currently show for the belief guys is the very same as that still held for your money grabbing association. At least these guys (as far as I know and open to correction) are not in it for the money or coaching contracts! Can you say the same after almost getting your grubby hands on E1.6m and having several of your cronies forced into managerial positions?! Be honest with people!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 29/11/2009 23:56:06    497968

duke_raul
County: Tyrone
Posts: 89

Duke Croke Park is just a patch of grass. Theres many a field in this country that has seen blood spilt upon it. Yet we dont mind seeing roads being bulit through them because it's seen as progress. This is a blatant example of keeping politics out of sport, and out of the modern GAA.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2009 09:44:04    498048

RALF.

Lets just leave it there shall we...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2009 11:30:56    498131

30/11/2009 11:30:56
jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3741

498131 RALF.

Lets just leave it there shall we...

Entirely up to you my friend but when you are ready to engage in honest debate and to answer some hard questions, honestly, I will be waiting.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 30/11/2009 12:08:16    498164

Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2824

498164 30/11/2009 11:30:56
jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3741

498131 RALF.

Lets just leave it there shall we...

Entirely up to you my friend but when you are ready to engage in honest debate and to answer some hard questions, honestly, I will be waiting.

RALF - dont go thinking too much of yourself... from my previous experience with yourself it's completely unwarranted.

It's soon becoming apparant that your notions surrounding the GPA were incorrect and time will prove that. I hope when the time comes that you'll be man enough to admit to that.

These hard questions you speak of... I've been fielding them for a long time on this site. I've answered them before but my answers have fallen on deaf ears time and time again. I see no point to get into further debate regarding the central GPA issues.. as I'll just revert back to this stance.

It's good enough for the GAA.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2009 12:51:25    498221

The GAA took the line of least resistance.

Your insulting stance speaks volumes about what you represent, your cowardice and your unwillingness to enter into proper debate.

Fact remains you are intent on profesionaliam in the future and at the very least securing coaching/managerial contracts for county jobs that some of your colleagues have already secured. There is no denying this and attemnpts by you to do so further prove what an untrustworthy lot your are.

Furthermore your attempts to publicly humiliate and insult any opposition to your business shows how unfit you are for the GAA that we all love. the furure is indeed shaky with you guys about.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 30/11/2009 15:04:57    498371

Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2827

RALF... I actually dont know how to respond to that... so I think when you dont have anything good to say, you shouldnt say anything at all.

I've done nothing but debate this issue almost from my first post. I have started scores of threads on this subject... and have argued with many many many many many many many many many posters on the subject.

I'm just unwilling to discuss it further with you because it's a complete waste of my time.

So rant and rave about me all you want.... I dont care. All that matters is that is that the GAA back the GPA 100%. That's good enough for me,.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2009 15:53:21    498423

RLF - you are wasting your time with him.

Look at any of the GPA related threads, Jimbo just tries to sufficate any debate by endless repetitive posts stifling any opportunity to discuss the matter. And if anybody does post anything negative about the deal or GPA he will begin the hysterics followed by personal insults and attacks (hence the nickname 'Rent a rant').

It is a shame because many GAA people around the country have legitimate concerns and genuine fears about where this deal will lead the GAA.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 30/11/2009 16:08:37    498437

RALF have a read of this:

The GPA leadership's willingness to embrace the GAA's amateur ethos was crucial in seeing the official status of the players' body incorporated into rule at next year's Congress,

"It is very important to make the point that, from the very beginning of the talks, the GPA made it clear that they were willing to accept that,'' he commented.

"They understood that was the way forward for the GAA - we didn't have to push for it," he said.

"From the very start they offered it to us, that this was the way forward - that they want to be primarily a body that can provide top-class player welfare and that they accept the amateur status of the GAA."

"The retention of the amateur status was central to the GAA in the talks but it didn't become an issue as the GPA made no attempt to introduce pay-for-play in any form onto the agenda. It was then a question of working out a deal which would be acceptable to both sides".

- GAA Director-General Paraic Duffy

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2009 16:17:42    498449

30/11/2009 15:53:21
jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3744

498423 Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2827

RALF... I actually dont know how to respond to that... GIVE IT A GO I'M ALL EARS
So rant and rave about me all you want.... I dont care. All that matters is that is that the GAA back the GPA 100%. That's good enough for me,.

Last point is factually incorrect, but then that would be good enough for you I suppose!!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 30/11/2009 16:17:53    498451

Cheers BM, on the same side for once...Probably won't last though :-D Thanks anyway.

But yes you are right about the suffication point. It's sad really that when any group in the world and history fights so hard to be recognised and fights against what would deem to be biggotted ideas, the first thing they do is to behave in a biggotted fashion themselves.

History and sport is full of it. The other thing, of course, that these groups have in common is that they all eventually come to a curious and undignified end!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 30/11/2009 16:24:08    498458

bad.monkey County: USA Posts: 1804 Haha good man Bad Monkey. I've always tried my best to argue the point but I've had enough of it now. Is it not slightly pointless to argue all the old points when everything has changed now. The work has been done by the GAA and GPA. Whats the point of arguing anymore.... it's now up to the vote at the end of this week and then the vote next April. There has been no new updates on the subject. I've already covered the ground last week... the answers to RALFS questions are all contained in the posts I provided last week. I'm not going to do anymore arguing on the subject. I'll just leave it at that... I do respect all your opinions but I just couldnt be bothered talking to any of you anymore. I'm just going to watch from a far from now on and comment when we have something to comment on.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2009 16:33:33    498474

Jimbo we can all read and research. So you haven't exactly diciphered the Rosetta Stone by displaying Duffy's statement!

Donal Og said that both he and another GPA figure (name escapes me) did up the figures and saw that professionalism would not work at the moment.

The fact that they took time to 'do up the figures' proves that they have given it very serious consideration and does not in anyway guarantee that it won't be on any future agenda despite not being on the recent agenda!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 30/11/2009 16:48:29    498487