dubupnorth
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fredrickwood , funny thing is , I've lived in Derry 9 years and not ONE Catholic person I know supports the Northern team.



That's what mixing with the "wrong sort" does to you.

You should be careful who you choose as friends.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/11/2009 16:13:03    489581

patrique
County: Antrim
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489578 fredrickwood
County: Roscommon
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-Even in that Crumbling **** **** of a stadium in Baalfaast.



Such jealousy. Just because WE have a SOCCER stadium.

Wouldn't get us playing soccer in GAA grounds.

Jealous of that place LOL,We have soccer stadiums too,but we need to accomadate more supporters than your lot and in Modern Facilities as well.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 20/11/2009 18:18:53    489697

Given - Quality, class act

Kilbane - not the worst

Dunne - not bad player

Sledge - useless

Josh - not bad again

Duff - great player for years time to ritire though

Whelan - worse than useless how he is picked ahead of andy reid puzzles me.

Andrews - Useless as well

Lawrence - good player and will improve .

Doyle - not sure sometimes

Keane - overated has to have goals handed to him on a plate .

Subs

Hunt - not up to it

McGeady - great player should be in in first team

McShame - accident waiting to happen

Best - No your not....

gibson only a reserve player with utd and makes country panel.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/11/2009 18:51:57    489726

nocky
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19/11/2009 22:49:22
patrique
County: Antrim
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Marco Materazzi was a PL player whether you like it or not patrique, and he wasn't very good there. If what you say is true defenders in the PL are rubbish, so Materazzi who was Italy's defender at WC2006 and starts for Italy's best team must be worse than rubbish.



Yea, that's right.

Lucky goal he got in the FINAL.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/11/2009 19:18:46    489744

fredrickwood
County: Roscommon
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L,We have soccer stadiums too



That meet FIFA requirements? Where?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/11/2009 19:19:57    489745

fredrickwood

Well said boss .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/11/2009 19:36:32    489766

"That meet FIFA requirements? Where?"

well no stadium in the world would meet fifa requirments while under construction. lansdowne road did meet fifa requirments and the revamped lansdowne road will also meet fifa requirments

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4162 - 20/11/2009 19:38:40    489768

32_4_1
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"That meet FIFA requirements? Where?"

well no stadium in the world would meet fifa requirments while under construction. lansdowne road did meet fifa requirments and the revamped lansdowne road will also meet fifa requirments




Silly me, in all the time I went to Landsdowne Road I thought it was a rugby ground.

So what was all the fuss about Terry Henry? Sure people were always handling the ball at Landsdowne Road, especially the local club.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/11/2009 21:44:13    489900

Dellboypolecat
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fredrickwood

Well said boss .



Thanks Dell.

That's me well ahead now Fred, once Dell agrees with you...............

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/11/2009 21:45:11    489902

keep it going patrique they never beat you

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 20/11/2009 22:03:59    489919

20/11/2009 19:18:46
patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 5577

Marco Materazzi was a PL player whether you like it or not patrique, and he wasn't very good there. If what you say is true defenders in the PL are rubbish, so Materazzi who was Italy's defender at WC2006 and starts for Italy's best team must be worse than rubbish.
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Yea, that's right.

Lucky goal he got in the FINAL.
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So Italy won WC2006 due in large part to a premier league FAILURE. He didn't even play for one of the "Big 4" clubs! You agree that you were wrong in what you said about the premiership, it must be better than you thought if a defender who was absolutely rubbish there could be such a star in Seria A.

You have moved away from the initial argument too I see, and had nothing to say about the the rankings I gave you.

And you have been proven to be a liar. "Of course, if you have found a single player in that Italian squad who was a premiership player, I will retract ALL." Marco Materazzi. That is all.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 20/11/2009 22:33:03    489952

nocky County: Wexford Posts: 676 And you have been proven to be wrong. dearie me!! Huffy puffy. For your benefit I will cut and paste my comment: 19/11/2009 01:13:52 patrique County: Antrim Posts: 5489 Nocky, there was only one squad without a single premiership player in it at the last world cup. That was ITALY. ITALY won the tournament. Now the last World Cup was played in 2006. All of the players came from Italian Clubs, every one of them. Some of them may have played in other countries before and after, but not in 2006. The last world cup was in 2006. But do not take my word for it. Italy Italy Head coach: Marcello Lippi No. Pos. Player DoB/Age Caps Club 1 GK Gianluigi Buffon 28 January 1978 (aged 28) 60 Italy Juventus 2 DF Cristian Zaccardo 21 December 1981 (aged 24) 12 Italy Palermo 3 DF Fabio Grosso 28 November 1977 (aged 28) 17 Italy Palermo [50] 4 MF Daniele De Rossi 24 July 1983 (aged 22) 17 Italy Roma 5 DF Fabio Cannavaro (c) 13 September 1973 (aged 32) 93 Italy Juventus 6 DF Andrea Barzagli 8 May 1981 (aged 25) 8 Italy Palermo 7 FW Alessandro Del Piero 9 November 1974 (aged 31) 74 Italy Juventus 8 MF Gennaro Gattuso 9 January 1978 (aged 28) 43 Italy Milan 9 FW Luca Toni 26 May 1977 (aged 29) 18 Italy Fiorentina 10 FW Francesco Totti 27 September 1976 (aged 29) 51 Italy Roma 11 FW Alberto Gilardino 5 July 1982 (aged 23) 15 Italy Milan 12 GK Angelo Peruzzi 16 February 1970 (aged 36) 31 Italy Lazio 13 DF Alessandro Nesta 19 March 1976 (aged 30) 74 Italy Milan 14 GK Marco Amelia 2 April 1982 (aged 24) 1 Italy Livorno 15 FW Vincenzo Iaquinta 29 November 1979 (aged 26) 12 Italy Udinese 16 MF Mauro Camoranesi 4 October 1976 (aged 29) 21 Italy Juventus 17 MF Simone Barone 30 April 1978 (aged 28) 13 Italy Palermo 18 FW Filippo Inzaghi 9 August 1973 (aged 32) 49 Italy Milan 19 DF Gianluca Zambrotta 19 February 1977 (aged 29) 52 Italy Juventus 20 MF Simone Perrotta 17 September 1977 (aged 28) 24 Italy Roma 21 MF Andrea Pirlo 19 May 1979 (aged 27) 24 Italy Milan 22 DF Massimo Oddo 14 June 1976 (aged 29) 20 Italy Lazio 23 DF Marco Materazzi 19 August 1973 (aged 32) 28 Italy Internazionale That was the Italian squad used, gosh is that Materazzi at number 23. What club? Internazionale Evert.....Milan. Shucks. Now no need to apologise. I misled you. All of the Saudi squad played in Saudi as well. But NOT a SINGLE premiership player in the Italian squad. Now, where was I?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 21/11/2009 02:15:42    490057

hipster
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keep it going patrique they never beat you


Thank you as always Hipster but I suspect you are upsetting the natives.LOL

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 21/11/2009 02:17:31    490059

19/11/2009 22:49:22
patrique
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Of course, if you have found a single player in that Italian squad who was a premiership player, I will retract ALL.
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What is your point patrique? You seem to think that Italy won WC2006 simply because they didn't have any players who were playing in the "overrated" premiership at the time. This is a fairly ridiculous argument to make, does it mean that only countries who have no premiership players in their squads can win WC2010? Better rule out Spain and Brazil, the two favourites, then. Italian players tend not to move abroad, as they can earn a fine living in their own country and play champions league etc. there (something Irish players, for example, cannot do). When they move abroad they will tend to move to Spain as the languages and climates are similar. Italy winning the WC without a PL player in 2006 was coincidence, nothing more.

Marco Materazzi, who played such a huge part in their 2006 success is a PL reject. You have said on here before that the standard of defending in the PL is rubbish and that it is an overrated league, even criticised Everton, Materazzi's former club. If the PL is so rubbish how could Materazzi and Giuseppi Rossi be such failures there - they have thrived since they left?

Back to my original point for a minute, do you still think that Ireland's squad was not on a par with other nations who qualified from the European section for the WC? I'm talking about Slovenia, Slovakia, Denmark and Switzerland. Add Greece to that list. Please don't use any arguments about European Championships won 20 years ago, amalgamations of any of the countries listed above and other countries (Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia), results between Ireland and any of these countries more than 4 years ago, wins at recent u17s tournaments - these are irrelevant as they do not pertain to the current squads of the countries. Also, be careful how you use the FIFA/UEFA rankings - we all know that they are deeply flawed.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 21/11/2009 12:59:55    490168

21/11/2009 12:59:55
nocky
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19/11/2009 22:49:22
patrique
County: Antrim
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Of course, if you have found a single player in that Italian squad who was a premiership player, I will retract ALL.
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What is your point patrique?




My point is this. YOU said Ireland had a squad with loads of premiership players, I pointed out that perhaps you were over estimating the premiership, and used Italy as an example.

Materazzi was obviously held back in England, and thrived once he left, much like Pique at Barcelona, second only to Richard Dunne as best centre back in Manchester over the last 5 years.


As for ranking Ireland. I cannot use the fact that all of these squads are historically better than Ireland, they are all beating Ireland, and performing better at every grade than Ireland, and are all ranked higher than Ireland. What can I use?

Your pedantic bit about the word "was". I obviously meant "was" in 2006.

But have it your way.

I suggest Ireland are below all the others because in the team that faced France the other night too many WERE from Dublin primary schools teams.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 21/11/2009 14:06:42    490218

Patrique , I mix with the finest of people from all ethnic & religous backgrounds thank you very much. My catholic friends & relatives in Derry all support the Republic of Ireland team as they represent the nationality and flag they feel aligned to. The Republic don't stand to attention to a foreign national anthem that talks about saving an unelected head of state who can never marry a member of the Catholic faith. This is of course upto individual choice and those like you who support the North's team should be respected as should the people I know who choose to support the Republic.

dubupnorth (Dublin) - Posts: 1897 - 21/11/2009 18:39:29    490343

21/11/2009 14:06:42
patrique
County: Antrim
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As for ranking Ireland. I cannot use the fact that all of these squads are historically better than Ireland, they are all beating Ireland, and performing better at every grade than Ireland, and are all ranked higher than Ireland. What can I use?
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I suggest you base your assessment solely on the merits of the current squads of the countries mentioned, not on records at previous championships. You seem to place far too much importance on what countries have achieved in the past with different players, different managers etc. I seem to remember a certain international team win the European Championship recently despite having an extremely poor record at major championships and not having won anything since 1964. They also had several premiership players in their squad.

None of the countries I mentioned (Slovakia, Slovenia, Denmark, Greece, Switzerland) have beaten Ireland in the last 4 years, so any results between us are irrelevant. The fact that some of the other countries are currently performing better at underage level (you mentioned Switzerland u17s) also doesn't affect the senior squads of the countries. At the time of qualification, two of the countries, Slovakia and Slovenia, were ranked lower than Ireland, so if you want to be pedantic and use FIFA rankings (which are highly flawed) as the definitive way of deciding the best teams in the world, then Ireland were a better team than them.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 22/11/2009 13:38:38    490788