Overall is the standard of Louth football terribly bad from top to bottom?
Is it any worse than 10/20/30 years ago?
People seem to be going over the top about Mattocks hammering, that it reflects that club football in Louth is brutally bad, worst state its ever been in.
Whats forgotten is that a Louth club has never won the Leinster senior club championship.I think only Mattock in 02 & Cooley in the 70s have been in finals.
Also having good club champions doesn't necessarily mean that club football is strong or competitive within a county.
Clubs like Portlaoise or Eire Og in Carlow in their pomp, will set their stall out at the start of a season to win Leinsters not just county championships.
No club in Louth ever thinks like that, because they aren't strong enough.

sam57 (Louth) - Posts: 1502 - 17/11/2009 17:48:20    486416

i think sam louth football is very poor yes your right about leinster never been won by louth and just a slight correction the blues also made 2 lein finals, cooley l made 2 so in all thats 5 finals. leaving out young irelanders victory when club that won the championship represented the county as the county team. the fact that the clans couldn't do it when they had 7 county players including the likes of white and o hanlon's just shows how hard it is to do. but we were never so low that the hurling counties were considered any sort of oppostion for us. and i wouldn't be confiddent to name a player who would walk in to most teams in present form never mind all teams in the country

fkapp (Louth) - Posts: 86 - 17/11/2009 19:16:06    486523

Blues two finals ?

Only one I think !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Club_Football_Championship

Soccer is huge in Louth, seen it when I went to school in Drogheda in the early 90's. Some great gaa players but interested in soccer only and a small bit of gaa.

If you look at the 40's and 50's, Louth was feared all over Ireland. What has changed ??

MR (Louth) - Posts: 2570 - 17/11/2009 20:22:50    486620

sorry mr i stand corrected thought they had been there twice

fkapp (Louth) - Posts: 86 - 17/11/2009 21:34:41    486708

Fkapp you have a very short memory. To say that we were never so low that hurling counties provided serious opposition to us is wrong. In 2,004 and 2,005 we played twenty competitive matches under Val Andrews. We won five of them, drew one and lost fourteen. Three of those five wins were against Waterford. None of them were convincing. We won by one point, two points and four points. Waterford provided us with serious opposition in all three games. We beat Tipperary when playing at home in the league. However Tipperary also beat us in the league in Semple Stadium. In those two years we played Wicklow twice in the league. We lost once and drew once. We played Wicklow in a challenge in 2,005 before the championship and lost by 2-18 to 0-10. We were cannon fodder for almost every other county in the country other than Waterford. Your memory is letting you down once again. Also can we have less of this nonsense that has become commonplace amongst some Louth supporters in referring to Tipperary as a "hurling county". Tipperary have four All-Ireland senior football titles-one more than Louth. They have nine provincial senior football titles-one more than Louth. They have made the last three Munster under 21 football finals.We haven't made a Leinster under 21 final since 1996. They lost this years Under 21 final to Cork as a result of a last second score. Cork went on to win the All-Ireland. Tipperary deservedly won the Division Three National League title this year beating Down in the final They have a proud football tradition and a fine young team that is very difficult to beat. Give them the credit they are due. Limerick provided very difficult opposition this year for both Cork and Meath in the championship before just losing out in both matches.You won't find Meath or Cork football suporters sneering at the Limerick footballers saying they come from a"hurling county".That moronic nonsense seems to be the preserve of some Louth people who should know better. It's about time people like you copped on to yourselves.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 17/11/2009 23:20:23    486854

Your the one getting carried away Greengrass. Tipperary have no decent Footballing history, they are a Hurling county to all Louth Football players & supporters today. Their last Munster Senior Football Title was in 1935, hardly recent and last All Ireland was 1920 I think. Compare that with their Hurling recent history, no contest.

Unfortunately Louth are in bad shape and there are plenty of our All Ireland winning Team still alive today, to witness it. We need to bring back the 'Grit' (To quote Kevin Behan of the 57's)

ninjasmyth (Louth) - Posts: 752 - 18/11/2009 11:46:15    487091

Three Munster under 21 finals in a row in the last three years? Lose out to the eventual All-Ireland winners by a point. Munster Senior Final appearances in the very recent past. Division Three League champions this year. Not a bad record. Agreed Ninja that their hurling history is glorious. However that should not allow our supporters to insult the recent impressive efforts of their footballers. Like I said and I include you in this, give both them and Limerick credit where credit is due. Some Louth supporters are the only supporters I have heard use the term "hurling county" to be deliberately derogatory about the efforts of footballers from another county. Put quite simply using the term for that purpose is unfair and wrong. And I will repeat that for fkapp to say that we were never so low that "hurling counties" provided serious opposition to us is complete nonsense. Look back at 2,004 and 2,005 .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 18/11/2009 13:16:34    487224

Correct ninjasmyth
Tipp got to a few finals because they kept away from Kerry and Cork, who where on the other side of the draw !

I think we hit a nerve with greengrass, he loves MAC and I am sure he will spend his days in Down watching Mayobridge !

MR (Louth) - Posts: 2570 - 18/11/2009 14:01:28    487287

its probably true to say the standard of club football is poor at the moment,but there was massive amounts of money spent under eamon mc eneaney and still we didnt get results,so maybe now under fitzer if he can unearth a few new faces we can at least compete

pd73 (Louth) - Posts: 322 - 18/11/2009 14:49:36    487357

MR, I would you consider Laois to be a hurling county giving that they have never one a senior football All-Ireland but have won a senior hurling All-Ireland. Tell us all again how Mattock our senior football championship winners fared out against the football champions from that hurling county.

Squid

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 18/11/2009 16:33:09    487506

Don't have nerves as far as this site is concerned MR. Just pointing out a few facts with regards to Tipp, Limerick and indeed on a previous thread the Joes football team that some "experts" on this site seem to be unaware of when making completely erronous pronouncements. Like I said previously credit where credit is due. Both of those coubnties have very decent teams. It's a pity that the "experts" can't see it. Maybe it's because there are none so blind as those who don't want to see.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 18/11/2009 16:46:25    487530

I have put my cards on the table - which club are you from ...oh your not from Louth, so why are you even on this board ! Why do you have many usernames also ?

MR (Louth) - Posts: 2570 - 18/11/2009 16:57:19    487548

Maybe Squid you county would be a Ladies Footballing county going on what you are saying because you have won a Senior Ladies and NOT a senior mens ?

http://www.ladiesgaelic.ie/honours/snrChamp.htm

Walked in to that one !

MR (Louth) - Posts: 2570 - 18/11/2009 17:03:42    487557

greengrass took me 4 attempts to get motivated enough to read that essay u replied to me and sorry then i did total crap. this was not a post to discuss big mac or the joes, its about where we are as a county now compared to 10 20 30 years ago not compared to five years ago. big mac is gone, you really have major chips on your shoulder, eamon is totally irrelevant to this. maybe you should seek therapy about big mac having to move on.

fkapp (Louth) - Posts: 86 - 18/11/2009 18:48:15    487685

don't know why it took it so long to dawn on me greengrass is a joes man its not big mac he is in love with it's the john mitchells man that was with him.

fkapp (Louth) - Posts: 86 - 18/11/2009 19:08:55    487696

Fkapp, I replied to your original post to correct an obviously incorrect assertion that you made. You said we were never that low before that a "hurling county" would pose serious opposition to us. I politely reminded you that you were wrong. I provided the facts pertaining to Louths performances in 2,004 and 2,005 to show you just how wrong you were. I fail to see how cold hard accurate facts can be looked upon as being total crap. That however is your prerogative. On this as on all other mattersyou have posted since your return to these pages you have been wrong. Keep trying because as you know God loves a tryer and with Him on your side even you might get something right sometime soon. My original post had nothing to do with my supposed club or the former county manager. I find it difficult to sit idly by and read rubbish.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 18/11/2009 20:23:15    487749

i think it's time you should start reading your own posts greengrass, well at least that mean someone was reading thems after 4 lines if nothing sensible is being said people stop reading them.

fkapp (Louth) - Posts: 86 - 19/11/2009 01:14:47    487967

Still no reference to your pronouncement about how low we are and the facts pertaining to 2,004 and 2,005 fkapp. I wonder why? Perhaps the facts illustrate clearly that you were bluffing in your original post. Now is that brief enough for you ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 19/11/2009 14:30:20    488337

okay i'll spell it for you, the topic is how we compare to 10/20/30 years ago so when i said about hurling counties i was talking about the last couple of years as well, your so hung up on big mac/melia you think it specifically refers to their time in managment,why i don't know. in the early ninties we were rated 12 in the country, i think it was last year maybe the year before we were rated just above kilkenny by the pundits on rte at the start of the year guess what sport is dominant in kilkenny. hope this clears it up for you. which i thought should have been obvious. we did't fall that far in 3/4 years.there was nothing contraversial in what i said you just trying to make it.

fkapp (Louth) - Posts: 86 - 19/11/2009 15:45:04    488470

Fkapp, firstly I appreciate you didn't mean to be controversial. Nor did I. We were ranked twenty ninth in the country four years ago in 2,005 under Val Andrews. In 2,006 we were ranked seventeenth. In 2,007 we were ranked fourteenth. We are currently ranked twenty third. I never at any stage mentioned either Eamon Mc Eneaney or Stephen Melia. MR introduced that. The point that I was trying to make was that in my lifetime 2,004 and 2,005 were the worst years in Louth football. Everybody and I mean everybody beat us. I agree with you that we had a fine team in the nineties. That team unfortunately underachieved significantly in failing to reach a Leinster Final. I appreciate things at times get heated on this site but it should be remembered that nothing is personal. Can we now draw a line under this and move on to another topic. I might even agree with somebody. We might discuss how ****** off we were after last nights travesty in France.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 19/11/2009 16:56:33    488595