JPM1981, you are quite correct but a line has to be drawn somewhere and it is sport not politics. In saying that I hope the garda kick the living s**** out of them. They are changing but changes are slow in coming. This is a token game to show that the NI Police is neutral, which it will be eventually.

John Boss (Tyrone) - Posts: 865 - 17/11/2009 20:51:13    486640

JPM1981 County: Kildare Posts: 329 486576 Considering the record of the Bristish "security" forces in their dealings with the GAA, having them play the games is to act like their past actions never happened. Yes while we're at it lets stop those nasty "Prodestants" playing too, while we're at it lets never forget those Vikings , so that rules out anyone with the names of Cotter, Doyle, Higgans, Finley, MacManus. or or Dem Normans with surnames such as Burke, Darcy any thing with Fitz in it, ot those damn Welsh with surnames such as Joyce, Conway Walsh or those Anglo saxons with names such as lawless, Sherlock williams etc, lets ban them all. Lest we forget!!!!

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 17/11/2009 21:22:52    486686

JPM1981
County: Kildare
Posts: 329

486576
Considering the record of the Bristish "security" forces in their dealings with the GAA, having them play the games is to act like their past actions never happened.



Excellent post above by Paddy O'Gall, who left out a number of "freedom fighting" organisations.

However as pointed out the PSNI are NOT a British force, they are an Irish force.

I admit it WAS a member of a BRITISH police force who had the crucial vote to RETAIN rule 21 back in 20001 or whenever, but apparently it was OK for him to be a member oif he was voting the right way.

And it was only the West Midland Police force, sure what did they ever do to Irishmen?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 17/11/2009 22:00:38    486747

Thanks to some for turning an innocent enquiry in to another trench debate over The Troubles etc. Good posts Paddyogall and Patrique, good to see some putting a bit of perspective on these things. I personally think it would be an interesting contest to see live, what with all the history, hence my enquiry.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 18/11/2009 08:21:20    486933

Not sure where the logic is indescribing them as an Irish police force is, obviously they are a British police force.

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 18/11/2009 10:23:50    487013

Couple of strong Southern accents on the last PSNI team we played against. Also through the course of my work , I deal with a lad from Tipperary working for the PSNI in the Foyle district as they like to call it.

dubupnorth (Dublin) - Posts: 1897 - 18/11/2009 11:17:12    487056

18/11/2009 10:23:50
JPM1981
County: Kildare
Posts: 332

487013 Not sure where the logic is indescribing them as an Irish police force is, obviously they are a British police force.


Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but is not part of Great Britain. So they may be a force of the United Kingdom but they are not a British force.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 18/11/2009 11:24:14    487063

JPM1981
County: Kildare
Posts: 332

487013
Not sure where the logic is indescribing them as an Irish police force is, obviously they are a British police force.



This could be difficult so I will take it in stages.


If you are born in England you will be English.

If you are born in Cyprus you will be Cypriot.

If you are born in Korea, you will be Korean.

If you are born in Ireland...............



I do not care what PASSPORT you might get, the above are facts.

Buy the way, I assume you agreed with some people about the all British all Ireland final of 2003, given your attitude.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 18/11/2009 13:35:13    487247

John Boss with the most sensible post so far.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 18/11/2009 13:39:18    487252

The PSNI are under the authority of 'Her Majesties Inspectorate' ie the British Queen. They ultimtaely derive tehir power from Westminster (Even with Policing and Justice Powers devolved). While any part of Ireland is occupied by British administration and British soldiers (still 5000 soldiers in barracks and trainning for Iraq and Afghanistan in the 6 counties) and the country is left divided the PSNI showed not be allowed play Gaelic Games.

And the standard of football is brutal

RuaHughONeill (Tyrone) - Posts: 110 - 18/11/2009 16:57:49    487550

Is the Queen not German ?

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 18/11/2009 17:19:49    487579

RuaHughONeill
County: Tyrone
Posts: 74

487550 The PSNI are under the authority of 'Her Majesties Inspectorate' ie the British Queen. They ultimtaely derive tehir power from Westminster (Even with Policing and Justice Powers devolved). While any part of Ireland is occupied by British administration and British soldiers (still 5000 soldiers in barracks and trainning for Iraq and Afghanistan in the 6 counties) and the country is left divided the PSNI showed not be allowed play Gaelic Games.

By your statement above this would rule out anyone who works in the Public sector in Northern Ireland who are also under the authority of 'Her Majesties Inspectorate' ie the British Queen and so by your reckoning should also be not allowed to play Gaelic football. Considering that almost 70% of the workforce in Northern Ireland is Public sector this would rule out a lot of people. My God i may have an irrational dislike of the North but even i would never propose this!

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 18/11/2009 18:49:55    487686

RuaHughONeill County: Tyrone Posts: 74 487550 The PSNI are under the authority of 'Her Majesties Inspectorate' ie the British Queen. They ultimtaely derive tehir power from Westminster (Even with Policing and Justice Powers devolved). While any part of Ireland is occupied by British administration and British soldiers (still 5000 soldiers in barracks and trainning for Iraq and Afghanistan in the 6 counties) and the country is left divided the PSNI showed not be allowed play Gaelic Games. As Paddy O'Gall says, there goes Ricey, Dooher, Mcgee, and a few others. By the way did you object to Glasgow rangers "banning" Catholics? I did. You see, I always reckoned if a sport had to ban a group of people on grounds of religion or work, well there was something inherently wrong with the sport. By the way, as a matter of interest, that wasn't you who shunned Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics was it? Do you have a funny moustache?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 19/11/2009 01:26:11    487976

I think most of ye are missing the point, probably purposely doing so. As long as these people are members of British security forces, which they are, they should not be alllowed to play GAA. As long as the British government occupy part of Ireland, the police fore there is British.

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 19/11/2009 13:07:40    488227

JPM: I think you are missing the point. This isn't a thread about whether members of the British security forces should be allowed to play Gaelic games. The simple fact of the matter is that they have been allowed and most of the posters on this thread have accepted that rather than keep a dogmatic, regressive attitude.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 21/11/2009 15:03:09    490237

19/11/2009 13:07:40
JPM1981
County: Kildare
Posts: 346

488227 I think most of ye are missing the point, probably purposely doing so. As long as these people are members of British security forces, which they are, they should not be alllowed to play GAA. As long as the British government occupy part of Ireland, the police fore there is British.
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I don't get your point - For a change I agree with Paddyogall on this
If as you point out a member of the security forces is "british" - This is someone who does a job works in the six counties serving both communities and has taken a job to put food on table and is paid by the UK exchequer

1. As per Paddyogall what about all the civil servants who are paid from the UK Exchequer - Teachers for e.g
2. What about the unemployed who are paid from the UK Exchequer
3. What about anyone in the Construction sector working on Goverment jobs (aughnacloy/M1 extension/Enniskileln hospital etc.
4. What about anyone who provides services or goods to any of the above.
5. What about the people in retail who mainly work for UK chain stores

Does that actually leave anyone who qualifies ??

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 21/11/2009 15:36:20    490250

Let's get real here people, I had the misfortune of getting SCOUPED recently by the psni and one of the officers was a cork man and another was from the Gaeltacht area of Donegal, and I also happened to be standing behind a member in Croke park on all ierland final day. The reason I know he is, is because I've played against him several times. We have to move on from the past and embrace the future (it pains me to say), which means accepting the psni

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 21/11/2009 16:17:02    490276

great post rua, good to see you and paddy getting along for once!

bountyhunter (Cavan) - Posts: 302 - 21/11/2009 18:08:36    490326

pig.ignorant

To be fair why should we accept them with the pain and hurt the caused down through the years .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/11/2009 18:23:49    490336

Dellboy, i hear they are looking for an impartial referee, are you available ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 21/11/2009 20:01:39    490414