19/11/2009 01:00:12
patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 5492


And I note the Allied Irish Bank officials are restricted to a mere 633,000 Euros a YEAR. How could ANYONE manage on that?
I think I will ask for a wage cut to ensure these unfortunate people get at least 700,000.
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Also the row about if it should be €633k or €500k was clearly a very clever piece of Spindoctoring.
The real issue was if it should be external or internal apppointment. The bank gets its way on the internal appointment againsnt clear govty direction but the government is seen as playing hardball on the wages
Everyones a winner.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 19/11/2009 14:09:17    488306

Yes rua. All public servants should take a 75% pay cut. Then IBEC will call for all the private sector to do the same. I am only entering this debate now. My wife is a teacher with 8 years experience and takes home 621 per week. This will increase to about 850 at the top of the scale. These people are not overpaid. They are also not underworked. She does 22 hours CLASS CONTACT time but works about 50 hours a week when you consider the 8 hours voluntary time given to train 3 camogie teams on 4 evenings a week and the time preparing lessons and correcting work. It makes me really angry to hear teachers being slated all the time. Yes of course there are poor ones but I am a factory worker and there are some seriously lazy people working in the factory with me too. By the way, why is this thread only about teachers, are all public servants not going on strike? To be honest I am sick of this teacher bashing and just needed a rant. I see my wife comng home in the evenings after being verbally abused, threatened with sexual violence, dealing with constant innuendo and has even had brake fluid poured on her car. Maybe teachers could provide a better service if parents dealt with their kids better and taught them a bit of respect. By the way rua, your argument about the A.I.B salary cap is flawed in my humble opinion, as these are all the same people who presided over this huge mess in the first place. Your argument about pay cuts in the private sector is not convincing either as the pay where I work has gone up 4% this year.

Junior Hurler (Wexford) - Posts: 83 - 19/11/2009 18:27:38    488731

Thanks Junior Hurler! I'm glad somebody sees the real side of what we do! And yes it's a public service strike, not just the teachers!!!!

btw Royalgirl, I'll see ya at Kilcarn House for our protest on Tues!

BoyneView (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 19/11/2009 21:12:17    488898

Junior Hurler
County: Wexford
Posts: 48


To be honest I am sick of this teacher bashing and just needed a rant. I see my wife comng home in the evenings after being verbally abused, threatened with sexual violence, dealing with constant innuendo and has even had brake fluid poured on her car. Maybe teachers could provide a better service if parents dealt with their kids better and taught them a bit of respect




I hinted at this earlier to someone.

I taught for a bit, and the above description in very accurate. They did not threaten me with sexual violence, they siply told me about their exploits with my wife.

Raise your voice to the little darlings and you are in court.

Now you know why I became a job "drifter".

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 19/11/2009 22:41:20    489019

Junior Hurler County: Wexford Posts: 48 1. 75% was tongue in cheek - I was responding to another poster so read the entire thread before you take a view 2. Title of thread was not my choice so Don't accuse me of teaher bias 3. Fail to see where my arguement is flawed as I have stated that the e500k is not the issue the isssue is the inernal appointment with which I disagree and have stated that the salary row is a smokescreen. In that context I cant see how I am advoacting the practice of the previous or existing bank management 4. Fair play on your 4% pay increase apologies If stating that private sector workers including our company have taken a 15% pay decrease somehow angers you. a 4% increase is really a 10.5% increase given the 6.5% reduction in the cost of living. 5. If there is working condition issues - do your or your wife not have a Union rep to complain to

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 20/11/2009 00:26:23    489108

19/11/2009 18:27:38 Junior Hurler County: Wexford Posts: 48 ______________ 1. 75% Paycut was in response to a comment from a different poster to put a point in perspective. It is clearly not a viable proposal. I have pointed out what I feel the correct ten steps are on the Get up stand up plus other threads 2. E850 take home per week or E40k per annum after tax and pension funding is to me a very good wage. A private sector worker earning E100k per annum who has to self fund a pension would not be as well off. I appreciate the tough condititions and 50 hour week but would highlight that this is for 35 weeks a year versus a private sector worker who works 46 weeks a year 3. Fair play for getting a 4% payrise. That is a 10% increase in real terms if you consider deflation of 6.5% 4. Our company cut wages by 15%. Managed no redundacies through the last 18 months. And this month we are taking on 75 people in Nire and 25 in Dublin. 5. I think you are missing the point on the banks. The wage is irrelevant. The issue is that any appointment should be external which is my view. Can't see where I ever condoned what has happened in the banks. My point is the opposite in fact - The appointment should be external and he/she should be paid accordingly. IMO E500k will not attract a candidate that can run a company with E120 bn of Loans and customer deposits of E108bn. 6. I did not start this thread am merely posting to comments. The thread is about teachers so can't understand your problem with me focussing on that point. Though I did highlight that other "public Sector" employees receive E4k rent allowance etc. 7. I'm not teacher bashing - please see my point to Topman above

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 20/11/2009 10:43:08    489203

All schools provide parents and their children with an information booklet outlining the policies of the school. All schools identify which types of behaviour are not acceptable, how these matters will be dealt with if they arise and what sanctions may be imposed on the student(s) who breach the school codes.

Teachers therefore do not have to except any inappropriate behavior from pupils so if they are its their own fault. Furthermore you cannot tar all pupils with the same brush patrique/Junior Hurler in the main children are well behaved with the exception of one or two and you will get these people in all walks of life.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 20/11/2009 11:11:36    489224

19/11/2009 18:27:38
Junior Hurler
County: Wexford
Posts: 48

She does 22 hours CLASS CONTACT time but works about 50 hours a week when you consider the 8 hours voluntary time given to train 3 camogie teams on 4 evenings a week

An interesting post. I have to comment on this point however. I'd guess that a lot of people on this site give a lot more than 8 hours voluntary time per week to training teams and being involved in local sporting organisations. Are you saying thaht your wife deserves extra credit for this cause she is a teacher? Remember the key word is voluntary.

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 20/11/2009 11:13:03    489225

The double think of public sector employees is mind boggling. They preach about how they chose to go for the lower earning but more secure job and now shouldn't be punished for it while forgetting that they took benchmarking in the early part of this decade that was to placate them over the gap in earnings between themselves and the Private sector. If you wanted the more secure job and didn't take the benchmarking then strike. Also (and my wife is a school teacher) the reason the strike day will fail is that it doesn't have the support of the public and the reason it doesn't is because we're not sitting on Government pensions and claiming allowances for everything under the sun. Strike and be damned!

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 20/11/2009 11:24:01    489238

RM Drive. Just highlighting that teachers do a lot more than the 22 hours that the public seem to think they do. She also trains two more teams in the local club and is secretary of the club as well as having responsibility for running our club lotto draw. Add all this in and I am surprised that she has time to be an excellent mother to our kids. Not surprising that I never see her. Bartledoo Keep your comments on behavioural policy in schools until you understand that it is impossible to expel a pupil from a school before they are 16. Do you think suspensions and detentions deter these little cretins? Until there is a serious change in law regarding this teachers unfortunately have to put up with this raimeis. Rua E800 euro a week is a good wage I do not dispute that, but it takes 25 years service to get to that level. Also, do you not feel bitter that a company that can afford 100 new staff cut your wages by 15%? This sounds like opportunism on a grand scale to me, but I admit I don,t know who you work for or what you work at so I am probably not qualified to comment. I agree on the banks, AIB have given Lenihan a spanking and he has accepted it and is spinning so that he looks like he faced them down. However I disagree that 500k would not attract a suitable candidate. Regional banks in America of roughly the same size pay their CEO's about half of that.

Junior Hurler (Wexford) - Posts: 83 - 20/11/2009 11:37:10    489247

The Face

Enlighten me on these mysterious allowances so that my wife can claim some of them to help keep the wolf from the door?

Junior Hurler (Wexford) - Posts: 83 - 20/11/2009 11:40:27    489251

Bartledoo

I also forgot to mention that all of these type of people go to the one school in every town with more than one school. Therefore you get one or two good schools and one full of cretins and yes my wife does say that 98% of kids are lovely, but the other 2% are ********.

Junior Hurler (Wexford) - Posts: 83 - 20/11/2009 11:45:00    489257

Jeepers Junior Hurler that's terrible language is it not coming from a teacher someone parents entrust with their children's education. Teachers are widely accepted as being role models for children so lets hope that the use of inappropriate language is not the norm amongst our teachers today.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 20/11/2009 12:34:42    489310

Hey Hurler ... how about a reply?

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 20/11/2009 12:44:22    489318

Rua
E800 euro a week is a good wage I do not dispute that, but it takes 25 years service to get to that level.
Also, do you not feel bitter that a company that can afford 100 new staff cut your wages by 15%? This sounds like opportunism on a grand scale to me,
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Sorry should have been clearer on the point - We are in a sector with very tight margins where cost control is vital. With the downturn we had to reduce prices to try and maintain any decent business volume or else close down. Lower prices and high wages meant we were losing money. We had two options 1) Layoff a couple of hundred people or else cut payroll costs. eveyone was happy to do the latter. Some of our UK competitiors have now lost more business that us because they could not reduce prices and have laid off staff. We are now able to take more volume and are creating jobs. To me this is a positive.

The point I am making is that the country should look at things the same way. If we can cut expenditure - Govt/wages/Welfare across private and public sector then the country has some chance of getting back to growth in 2/3 years time -If not then we should give up down now before we lose any more money.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 20/11/2009 13:08:19    489340

BartleDoo
County: Monaghan
Posts: 192

489224




You a teacher or do you just know this?

In a posh grammar school, you might last about 10 years before the pressure kills you. In the North all teachers are either alcoholics or saved.

The average secondary school, better take an AK47 with you.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/11/2009 13:09:19    489343

Junior Hurler I understand that children have a constitutional right to be educated, however if any student(s) are disruptive insofar as that education of other children is being affected then my understanding is that the school having first fully considered the rights of all the children is entitled to take whatever measures necessary to correct this irrespective of what age the disruptive student(s) may be.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 20/11/2009 13:10:08    489346

The Face, but you were not whinging then when you were far better paid, were you ??? Another thing while we did get benchmarking, it was for a reason, we also gave away working conditions ( i work late sometimes for nothing extra and use my own car for work business and get nothing for this) and i am not complaining about this. So we all do not get these allowances you speak of !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 20/11/2009 13:29:49    489368

am learning a lot about ya now squid

RIB
xxx

inniskeenbull (Monaghan) - Posts: 682 - 20/11/2009 13:58:39    489390

RM Drive
I thought I did reply? Tell me what you seek clarification on and I will oblige.

Junior Hurler (Wexford) - Posts: 83 - 20/11/2009 14:07:29    489397