My view of Northern Ireland is that your both as bad as each other which is true. You cant defend the undefendable. I am ashamed by actions of both communities. which where lies my view that there never should be a united ireland.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 13/11/2009 21:38:17    483349

david09 County: Kildare Posts: 74 483336 Organisation Total Killings Protestant Catholic Not from NI IRA 1696 (49%) 790 338 56 omagh a lot of protestants killed by the ira my dear friend and a lot of catholics and a lot of people from the main land for what.please explain A fair drop from 66% David! I am well aware of the figures, however I am not sure what you are asking me to explain. If your asking me why they all died then you are asking the wrong man. Smarter men than me have tried and failed. I would assume that the figures relating to Protestants contains those in the UDR and RUC and the Catholic figure would include those killed as a result of internal fueds, those accused of informing etc, those in the mainland I assume are a result of bombings. If your asking me to condemn the IRA, I would simply say that there were a lot of wrongs however the circumstances that led to the perceived need for violent resistance also needs to be considered. That debate has been going on for hundreds of years and this is not the forum for it. My original retort was aimed at enlightening you from your blissful ignorance. You have quoted figures etc that are easy ound on the internet yet you cannot structure a coherent argument. All your replies are one line potshots and any attempt by another poster to engage in debate is met with yet another cut and paste job. If you wish to engage in proper debate start a thread in the Non-Gaa forum as suggested by Corkcelt I think and we can debate till your hearts content, but I woukd suggest that you educate yourself a wee bit before doing so.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 13/11/2009 23:08:11    483422

paddyogall County: Mayo Posts: 2010 483349 My view of Northern Ireland is that your both as bad as each other which is true. You cant defend the undefendable. I am ashamed by actions of both communities. which where lies my view that there never should be a united ireland. You are entitled to your view Paddy and to an extent you are right in that both sides share blame. However it is your very motherland that I blame for our troubles. As seen throughout the world, wherever you went, violence followed. Divide and conquer was the battle cry and they perfected it in Ireland. They milked this country for all it was worth. Caused centuries of hardship through rape, pillage and plunder, actively prolonged the famine by pure greed and divided our people through religion. Now that the landscape is barren they no longer wish to stay and so we have our "peace", but what a price was paid.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 13/11/2009 23:14:04    483427

There are still an awful lot of eegits in Ireland judging by this thread..... some topics really do bring out the worst in people.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 13/11/2009 23:42:10    483448

13/11/2009 15:46:13
chainsaw
County: Laois
Posts: 387

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Posters from the south should read " Death on a Country Road " by Desmond Fahy.

Indeed... a very good book and many posters on this thread would do no harm in reading it.

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 691 - 14/11/2009 00:03:41    483462

omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 836

483427 paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2010

483349 My view of Northern Ireland is that your both as bad as each other which is true. You cant defend the undefendable. I am ashamed by actions of both communities. which where lies my view that there never should be a united ireland.

You are entitled to your view Paddy and to an extent you are right in that both sides share blame. However it is your very motherland that I blame for our troubles. As seen throughout the world, wherever you went, violence followed. Divide and conquer was the battle cry and they perfected it in Ireland. They milked this country for all it was worth. Caused centuries of hardship through rape, pillage and plunder, actively prolonged the famine by pure greed and divided our people through religion. Now that the landscape is barren they no longer wish to stay and so we have our "peace", but what a price was paid.

Well thats a very lazy response, there was as many "Irish" people responsible for the famine as British, In fact my ancestors on my fathers side suffered as most, but there is a main difference to my father then to the majority on here, he married an Cornish woman (english to you) because he held no bitterness, an easy excuse to the "Nationalists" on here, who by the way support British teams in soccer. Anyways theres a good fable to say here. " A man commits terrible sins but because it is not directed not to his own family it is justified" You nordies think it is justified all this nonsense and i include Unionists and Nationalists in this. That is the reason for my distaste to you lot. Its very easy by the way to call me a west brit but it is not addressing the question.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 14/11/2009 01:13:56    483500

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2011

483500 omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 836

483427 paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2010

483349 My view of Northern Ireland is that your both as bad as each other which is true. You cant defend the undefendable. I am ashamed by actions of both communities. which where lies my view that there never should be a united ireland.

Well thats a very lazy response, there was as many "Irish" people responsible for the famine as British, In fact my ancestors on my fathers side suffered as most, but there is a main difference to my father then to the majority on here, he married an Cornish woman (english to you) because he held no bitterness, an easy excuse to the "Nationalists" on here, who by the way support British teams in soccer. Anyways theres a good fable to say here. " A man commits terrible sins but because it is not directed not to his own family it is justified" You nordies think it is justified all this nonsense and i include Unionists and Nationalists in this. That is the reason for my distaste to you lot. Its very easy by the way to call me a west brit but it is not addressing the question.

I do not agree that my response was lazy although I do admit that trying to educate David09 is tiresome work. I never suggested that your family did not suffer through the famine, but it is well known that the English could have intervened and at the very least curtailed if not prevented the famine. I am quite aware of what a "Cornish" person means and bravo to your father. I have numerous relatives who are English and I do not blame them for our troubles, merely their governments. I would suggest that your answers are in fact worthy of the term "lazy" due to the fact that they are repetitive, very rarely substantive and devoid of any hint of creative thought. By the way I did not and have not to my knowledge ever called you a West Brit

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 14/11/2009 12:30:38    483590

Its very easy by the way to call me a west brit but it is not addressing the question

Just remind me again paddy, what was the question?.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 14/11/2009 13:57:57    483638

Well plastic paddy and your pseudonyms/sidekicks(delete depending on your schizophrenic state!) as usual you find any story or excuse going to spout your anti nationalist and tripe!
Im sure as a fully paid up member of the enlightened liberals down south you would happily visit the local licensed premises in the village area or sandy row to have a discussion on the way forward. Im also sure you would be accepted with open arms in the sandy row rangers club. You can tell them all about your cornish roots and im sure theyll overlook your soft southern brogue, they'd never beat somebody to death because of their accent as they really are a misunderstood and articulate bunch of rascals.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 14/11/2009 14:19:18    483663

bumpernut
County: Antrim
Posts: 368
. Im also sure you would be accepted with open arms in the sandy row rangers club.



In my drinking days I had a few in said establishment. Well it was cheep. And you know what drink does to you.

Never told them anything about my roots, Cornish or otherwise.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 14/11/2009 17:01:33    483764

You must have been undercover for you have a wee taig head on you

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 14/11/2009 17:38:26    483791

omaghredhand you might live in northern ireland and i may live in the republic but for you to think you need to educate me is a funny .you people up there are the ones that are confused with your past you need to take the blinkers off.their was victims from all sides i have never allowed republicans to brainwash me and my thoughts from a young age i have always being aware of the north and the problems that exist in it.maybe you should educate yourself with books from the other side.you being a civil servant is being 2 faced.

david09 (Kildare) - Posts: 115 - 14/11/2009 22:26:20    483919

paddyogall, you are welcome to your own views. There are many people up here who have sectarian views similar to your own, indeed your own ballboy had similar views. Your views are too simplistic to warrant a discussion. If you don't understand the problem, there is little point in posting messages just to try and annoy others. God knows, Mayo people are unpopular enough on this board without you adding to that.

John Boss (Tyrone) - Posts: 865 - 14/11/2009 23:03:57    483958

david09
County: Kildare
Posts: 79

483919 omaghredhand you might live in northern ireland and i may live in the republic but for you to think you need to educate me is a funny .you people up there are the ones that are confused with your past you need to take the blinkers off.their was victims from all sides i have never allowed republicans to brainwash me and my thoughts from a young age i have always being aware of the north and the problems that exist in it.maybe you should educate yourself with books from the other side.you being a civil servant is being 2 faced.
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Ah david09, the simplicity of it all, why couldn't we have had leaders like you 40 years ago, we would'nt have been in this sorry mess for sure, THANK YOU for opening my eyes at long last, I was blind but now I see!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 15/11/2009 08:43:51    484042

Patrique aren't you just brilliant, cool and brave for having a drink in there!! My Hero

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 15/11/2009 10:36:32    484067

CheFinny
County: UK
Posts: 514

484067
Patrique aren't you just brilliant, cool and brave for having a drink in there!! My Hero



Thank you Che.

However, and I do not wish to deflate you, but I was a MEMBER of the N.Ireland supporters club, so.................

Sorry if that shatters the illusion.

I once drank in the McDermott's GAA club on the Fall's Road. Now that does require cojones.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 15/11/2009 14:35:14    484167

15/11/2009 14:35:14
patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 5380

I once drank in the McDermott's GAA club on the Fall's Road. Now that does require cojones.
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The only licened premises that I have felt scared in is the Brazen Head in Glasgows Gorbals.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 15/11/2009 15:18:08    484188

Patrique do you want 20p and you can phone someone who cares about the numerous clubs, societies and gatherings you are involved in. You can also tell them about all the great views on almost every subject you have ranging from an indepth knowledge of Manchester to varous scum filled drinking dens in Belfast. Tell me this do you know something about everything? How was it drinking with rabbid loyalists?

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 15/11/2009 15:23:32    484192

Covie.in.D7 said a few pages back:
David09, Did you ever think of removing the London prefix out of Derry when copying and pasteing this article?

Why do people have such a problem with some people calling Derry "Londonderry" when Irish people couldnt even be bothered to call it by its proper name - Doire.

I mean - why are we so insistent about using a bastardisation transliteration over a modified version of that bastardisation - either way we are using the word that the English gave us instead of the word that the Irish invented!

wingwonder (UK) - Posts: 535 - 15/11/2009 17:13:40    484245

Thank you Che.

However, and I do not wish to deflate you, but I was a MEMBER of the N.Ireland supporters club, so.................

Sorry if that shatters the illusion.

I once drank in the McDermott's GAA club on the Fall's Road. Now that does require cojones.



Ah come on now patrique, we'd welcome you with open arms!! speaking of arms somebody liberated the m1 we held just in case we needed to visit the rangers club!!
And on a completely different point altogether we're the only belfast team to win a hurling league this year!! Following on from the various annexing of juvenile championships by belfast clubs,who said belfast hurling is struggling!!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 15/11/2009 17:16:45    484248