CheFinny County: UK Posts: 509 I have no problem with this founding member being remembered but fo you to claim that people weren't murdered by Loyalist death squads simply for being GAA members quite frankly makes me feel sick. I honestly cannot remember EVER claiming that. maybe you should learn how to read. The original post mentioned a young Tyrone lad, who was NOT in St Enda's. The post was wildly inaccurate and absolutely no relevance to a man who was in the RIC in 1884. No need to apologise. anyone can make a mistake.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 17:48:46    481368

the weapon had discharged accidentally as a soldier The above is taken from Wikipedia in regard to the young Tyrone lad. I do not believe this account, but I draw attention to the word SOLDIER. Not LOYALIST, not POLICEMAN, but SOLDIER.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 17:52:06    481373

bumpernut
County: Antrim
Posts: 365

481143
I do believe Patrique is being a bit pedantic,



Thank you Bumper, but mixing up British Army with policemen and loyalists s difficult to do.

I object to lumping everyone together.

The reason for this is that Loyalist death squads lumped all of the GAA together, they thought all of us were sectarian bigots.

Some of us were not.

That is why I object to groups being lumped together.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 17:57:09    481382

Lads, I honestly think that calling northern posters 'whingers' is a bit much. Did you not read the stories they posted? If the gardai continually harassed you, or your family, for belongiong to the GAA would you not be aggreived? It's more than a whinge, in fairness.

I agree that we all need to try and move on. But can you really blame either community in NI for harbouring some bitterness? That's just human isn't it? And also we should be fair and acknowledge that northern nationalists and unionists have each generally demonstrated a remarkable abilty to 'move on' and leave the past behind. In their position, I'm not sure I'd be as forgiving. Lets try to compliment them for coming through some tough times and for their willingness to at least try and move forward, instead of berating them for whinging.

As regards the headstone - I've no objection to it, and it is normal to do such things.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 11/11/2009 18:08:54    481398

I don't see what all this debate is about, what does any of it have to do with a copper from Tipp who had a strong interest in gaelic games?

JuanVeron (Westmeath) - Posts: 1866 - 11/11/2009 18:09:06    481399

dont worry patrique, the facts mean little to some people on here

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4653 - 11/11/2009 18:10:37    481402

david09
As the GAA marks its 125th anniversary, its chiefs set about righting McCarthy's legacy by erecting a headstone on the grave to |acknowledge his role in founding the association.

The legacy the crown forces left on the people from the north of ireland is hard 2 forget!!
I couldnt walk the street with my HURL 2 training during those days without being harassed.
We do have a reason 2 b bitter.....

65mwtha36r47 (Tyrone) - Posts: 22 - 11/11/2009 18:42:54    481436

Patrique- "I object to lumping everyone together.

The reason for this is that Loyalist death squads lumped all of the GAA together, they thought all of us were sectarian bigots.

Some of us were not.

That is why I object to groups being lumped together."

Would you please explain this. I, and am sure many others, will be intrigued.

TheGlensman (Antrim) - Posts: 123 - 11/11/2009 20:12:02    481504

65mwtha36r47
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10

481436 david09
As the GAA marks its 125th anniversary, its chiefs set about righting McCarthy's legacy by erecting a headstone on the grave to |acknowledge his role in founding the association.

The legacy the crown forces left on the people from the north of ireland is hard 2 forget!!
I couldnt walk the street with my HURL 2 training during those days without being harassed.
We do have a reason 2 b bitter.....

So you are bitter???

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/11/2009 20:26:35    481514

Culchie
County: Cork
Posts: 93

481398 Lads, I honestly think that calling northern posters 'whingers' is a bit much. Did you not read the stories they posted? If the gardai continually harassed you, or your family, for belongiong to the GAA would you not be aggreived? It's more than a whinge, in fairness.

Did the man in question do any of this.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/11/2009 20:27:53    481518

dhorse
I am bitter because i could not play the Beautiful game in peace.

65mwtha36r47 (Tyrone) - Posts: 22 - 11/11/2009 21:03:11    481567

TheGlensman
County: Antrim
Posts: 78

481504
Patrique- "I object to lumping everyone together.

The reason for this is that Loyalist death squads lumped all of the GAA together, they thought all of us were sectarian bigots.

Some of us were not.

That is why I object to groups being lumped together."

Would you please explain this. I, and am sure many others, will be intrigued.



Not a lot to explain, but here is a parable.

Our club were thinking of asking the local soccer team for the use of their facilities to train during the week. This was around 1994 or so.

One of our lads said that the man in charge was not just an ordinary protestant, but a super bigot. He had to be because he was in the orange order.

I pointed out that the local soccer club could be saying that GAA members were not just ordinary catholics, but super bigots, because we were in the Gaa.

I further pointed out that in his case they would be right, but not in mine.


Do we think Loyalist death squads were WRONG for assuming all GAA people were legitimate targets, must be involved in "terrorism" and all that? I do.

On the same hand, I think it is wrong that we lump ALL policemen and soldiers into the same barrel, realising that many soldiers are exploited today in Britain, just as they were in Ireland a 150 years ago. I mean we do have the PARATROOPER who jumped on a bomb in the Springfield Road, killing himself to save a baby in a pram. Just one example of the dangers of tarring everyone with the same brush.

Especially if they WERE IN THE RIC IN 1884!!!!!!!!!

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 21:16:34    481583

Trileacman i totally agree with you about paddyogall being a --- and i would go further by saying he is lower than a---. He knew when he made his post it would get a reaction from most of the northern posters. Then he got backup from his sidekick Toma007 ---- him or ogall didn't have to suffer what GAA people in the north had to put up with from the security forces. Just one example having to leave extra early for a match known well they would be held up and missing half the game or all of it on some occasions. He then tries to insult other posters level of intelligence and failing miserably i might add how lower can you get? just because he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth doesn't make him any better than the rest of us no matter what he thinks. I also have no problem with a founder member being remembered in any way the GAA seem fit.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 11/11/2009 21:42:28    481616

Patrique i think your an absolute disgrace some clubs in the north of ireland have suffered more than others at the hands of the RUC and British armed forces, the next time you are in tyrone call up to my home club coalisland fianna inside the grounds you will find a memorial headstone erected for 16 year old Martin McShane who was shot dead by british security forces while out playing in our club grounds maybe you should read the following link and you will see why some of us are very angry [url=]linkhttp://www.relativesforjustice.com/martin-mcshane.htm

fiannablue (Tyrone) - Posts: 326 - 11/11/2009 21:55:41    481642

Patrique wikipedia doesn't tell the full story about the shooting of Aiden. Yes the gun was discharged by a soldier in a boiler suit which was commonly worn by the SAS ie the special assassination squad and within a half hour of the murder the soldier was airlifted out of Aughnacloy and three different stories emerged from the security forces and not one of them the truth. Then we had a show trial just to please the British public and ogall. The soldier appeared eventually sitting behind a covered stand and read out a statement telling the court how it happened . We might as well had you read out his statement because we will never know if the right man was in the dock in the first place and the right story told some how i doubt it what do you think?.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 11/11/2009 22:22:52    481677

My intial comment has been vindicated 100% by the responses on here, you fellas can insult me all you want i couldnt care less. You wont get any Pandering from me.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 11/11/2009 22:48:41    481700

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2008

481700 My intial comment has been vindicated 100% by the responses on here, you fellas can insult me all you want i couldnt care less. You wont get any Pandering from me. ......Well said paddy who twisted this thread

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 11/11/2009 22:55:12    481711

fiannablue
County: Tyrone
Posts: 234

481642
Patrique i think your an absolute disgrace some clubs in the north of ireland have suffered more than others at the hands of the RUC and British armed forces,



and Loyalist paramilitaries and the IPLO at Lamh Dearg's pitch at Hannahstown, Belfast, and PIRA and quite likely OIRA and INLA and quite a few others.

They all suffered, and I lost many friends, the same as everyone else.

However I have moved on, unlike some. I have accepted Martin McGuiness as Deputy first minister for instance, and I accept the new police force, until circumstances prove me wrong in either case.

This thread BEGAN about an RIC man in 1884. Catch yourselves on.

An early post came from Paddyogall and I objected to it. Another one came from Tyrone, WRONGLY blaming the RIC or any other POLICE force on the death of a young lad in Tyrone.

I objected to that, especially as it was linking the Tyrone lad's tragedy to an RIC man in 1884.

The same poster probably thinks it daft people harking back to 1690.

I think both examples are daft.


And I abhor posters trying to curry favour by capitalising on a family's personal tragedy.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 23:09:43    481728

Mulligan Eamonn
County: All
Posts: 276



I do not THINK anything. I KNOW it was a SOLDIER.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 23:10:54    481730

By the way, I must ask. Is it just Tyrone posters who claim to be MOPEs?


MOPE by the way stands for Most Oppressed People Ever, and is a common expression in N.Ireland these days, usually used to pour scorn on people.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/11/2009 23:12:54    481734