Paddy, in my opinion, you're an out and out disgrace.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12425 - 11/11/2009 12:05:58    480993

I think Shooter said it best. The partitionist mentality of some who post on here is irritating, and runs contrary to the aims of our organisation. That said, our organisation was not as inclusive as it might (I say 'might' and not 'should') have been over the past 125 years. Now that the police force in the north is attempting to change its ways, so too should the GAA. This is just a little piece of symbolism that may go some way towards taking a perceived sectarian edge off of the GAA. It is part of the cautious hand of friendship which must be extended.

Of course it is more difficult for some of our northern brethern to extend that hand. They lived at the mercy of some of the 'policemen' who still 'police' NI. Many of the freedoms that we always enjoyed down south, were not as easily practiced in the north. That is a fact which I'm sure nobody can deny? However I'm sure that northern members will grit their teeth and do what needs to be done. Just remember lads and lassies, the GAA does what its members want, when they want it. This is not a response to anyones demand, but rather a reconciliatory gesture by us.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 11/11/2009 12:14:38    481003

3inarow08

You must know what I meant, GAA members in the north were conspicuous and were therefore in danger from Loyalists.
Members of either side in the civil war were as likely to play Gaelic games or any other game. Just by playing hurling or football didn't mark you out as an enemy, so I don't think I'm "talking through my hat". Yes I know about the Kerry players from each side and how football helped to heal wounds.

jos33 (Dublin) - Posts: 243 - 11/11/2009 12:15:37    481004

wasn't one of the reasons the GAA set up, to ignore British laws which banned Irish past times and language, music song and dance. To give a sence of belonging and community to the Irish people who where being plundered at the hands of the British, had land taken, the landlors gained control, eviction from the land and paying of extortion (which they called rent), to live and work on your own land.

So therefore it was probabily easy to forget someone who worked in the up-keep of these barbaric laws pacificly enforced against Ireland and her people!

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 11/11/2009 13:12:38    481066

the 'Nordies' get real ur pathetic- we as much irish as u if not more and another thing r u forgetting that Sam Maguire was indeed a protestant- we live in a gd time should be thankful we dont want to return to the dark days!

M.J.Canavan (Tyrone) - Posts: 9 - 11/11/2009 13:33:07    481080

Pathetic rants so far Thomas St George McCarthy - A forgotten/ignored figure of huge importance to the VERY foundation of the GAA. The man was laid to rest without a marker, a symbol to us all of what he gave to Ireland. It's actually very sad. The man is finally recognised, his name shared with you all. You now have a chance to learn something about the man, and all you can do is bicker like children. So far Murder, Civil war, and Bigotry have been discussed in this thread. Thrown out there to justify the past. The simple fact of this thread remains that a founding member of the GAA was laid to rest without a head stone and was largely ignored by the GAA. North and South of the border... Keep politics/religion out of sport. Things have changed for the better in Ireland. Remember that and look to the future and let this man finally have the recognition that he deserves. If you find a couple of seconds please read below; Thomas St. George McCarthy (1862-1943) was an Irish Rugby International and was also a founder member of the of the Gaelic Athletic Association, being present at Hayes Hotel, Thurles, County Tipperary, Ireland at the Association's inaugural meeting on 1st November, 1884[1] . He was born at Bansha village, Co. Tipperary, though he was often erroneously described as being a native of Kerry. This was due to the similarity of name with his father, George McCarthy (1832-1902), Lieutenant of the Revenue Police, County Inspector of the RIC and a Resident Magistrate who was from County Kerry, though working in Tipperary and residing in Bansha. At the foundation of the GAA, McCarthy was a District Inspector of the Royal Irish Constabulary based at Templemore, County Tipperary. He moved to Dublin in 1877 and became a friend of Michael Cusack, who had a cramming school. He was coached by Cusack for an RIC cadetship examination in 1882, in which he took first place. In 1881, he joined Dublin University Football Club (Trinity Rugby Club) and was capped against Wales in 1882. Later that year, he won the Leinster Senior Cup with Trinity. His involvement in the GAA is notable because in a later period there would be a ban for many years in the GAA on people who played rugby and soccer joining the Association and this ban also applied to members of the British police and armed forces. He had a great love of the game of hurling,which he witnessed being played in his native village by the members of the Galtee Rovers GAA Hurling and Football club, then in its infancy. He was a regular attender at matches in Croke Park to where he travelled from his home in the Dublin suburb of Ranelagh. He died in 1943 and was buried without fanfare in an unmarked grave in Deansgrange Cemetery, Dublin. Unlike, the other six founding members of the GAA, very little has been done to commemorate McCarthy - presumably due to his position as a member of the Royal Irish constabulary.However, plans are in train to redress this injustice and it is proposed to build a commemorative gravestone at Deansgrange in 2009, the 125th Anniversary of the founding of the GAA, and there have also been calls for more recognition of his contribution to the GAA. The McCarthy Cup is named in his honour and is competed for by members of the Garda Síochána (Garda Thirds) and the Police Service of Northern Ireland

AD (UK) - Posts: 29 - 11/11/2009 13:41:35    481094

orchardman
County: Armagh
Posts: 43

480738
ask the family of adain mc anespie or any one of the families of the several other people murdered by the ruc and loyalist paramilitaries,simply because they were nationalist members of the local gaa clubs in thier areas...ps to the administrors.please allow this post to be shown.its topical and it happened.

what has it got to do with the topic

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/11/2009 13:45:40    481103

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2005

480682 Most of the people on here wouldnt have any respect for him because of his ties to the British security forces especially the Nordies which is a shame. About time people other then Cusack are getting the recognition that they deserve.


yet again the ulster gael's have falling for paddy's tribble when will ye ever learn he has an agenda and stop falling for it

Tomlangan (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 11/11/2009 14:07:41    481127

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 1390

480993 Paddy, in my opinion, you're an out and out disgrace.

Whys is that now, My Statement has come true all the Nordies are whinging about the security forces. If you dont like it dont respond to it, last thing i need is obtuse people having a go at me.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 11/11/2009 14:21:10    481138

I do believe Patrique is being a bit pedantic,

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 11/11/2009 14:28:05    481143

paddyogall County: Mayo Posts: 2006 481138 Breffni39 County: Cavan Posts: 1390 480993 Paddy, in my opinion, you're an out and out disgrace. Whys is that now, My Statement has come true all the Nordies are whinging about the security forces. If you dont like it dont respond to it, last thing i need is obtuse people having a go at me. There was more to my post, but admin, probably understandably, edited it. You incited people by putting words in peoples mouths, of course they were going to object. You are nowhere near as clever as you think you are. Your constant references to people from a certain geographical reason in almost every post you make on this website, no matter what the context, irritates me greatly. Who are you to pontificate and moralise and pontificate? *****points finger furiously*****

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12425 - 11/11/2009 14:39:10    481148

AD
County: UK
Posts: 15

481094 Pathetic rants so far


You think talking about the brutal murder of a Belfast Gael outside his club because a loyalist death squad were furious with the grand size of the development is a pathetic rant, fair enough.
Perhaps you feel talking about the brutal murder of Aiden MacAnespie is also a rant, fair enough.

I for one will NEVER forget these things happened.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 11/11/2009 14:55:15    481164

CheFinny County: UK Posts: 509 Such topics have no place on a thread about a forgotten founding member of the GAA. This tit for tat rubbish has been going on for too long. There was cold blooded murder on both sides. Innocent people blown apart or gunned down. You should never forget the past, but for a better future we also must let go of the past. Nothing can change what happened. The future is a blank page. The victims will always be remembered Green and Blue. I have to stress again that no matter how important a topic that might be.. It has nothing to do with Thomas St. George McCarthy. Nothing... and the original point of this thread. This entire thread has been hijacked from the word go, followed by completely off the point comments, that I question even belong on a sports forum.

AD (UK) - Posts: 29 - 11/11/2009 15:37:57    481217

dhorse...if you read one of my other posts on this topic you would understand what the relevance is.....an ruc memorial group brought this to the attention of the gaa,they werent in any hurry to ask for rememberance for the victims of ruc and loyalist death squads who were killed simply because of their involvement within the local gaa...thats my point,not difficult to grasp

orchardman (Armagh) - Posts: 158 - 11/11/2009 16:08:59    481256

Tom from Mayo you are right we should ignore ogal. At the same time if i came on this site and said something which offended Mayo people which tarred them all with the same brush I would expect a response, and rightly so. Getting back to the what this was about. I for one agree that this man should be honoured in this way. The attempt by one or two individuals to sully his name and associate it with what went on up here in recent times is wrong.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 228 - 11/11/2009 16:47:28    481292

breffni, he gets off on being the centre of attention, anyone with any sense should ignore him

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 11/11/2009 16:50:42    481300

RoverTin County: Derry Posts: 59 481292 Tom from Mayo you are right we should ignore ogal. At the same time if i came on this site and said something which offended Mayo people which tarred them all with the same brush I would expect a response, and rightly so. Getting back to the what this was about. I for one agree that this man should be honoured in this way. The attempt by one or two individuals to sully his name and associate it with what went on up here in recent times is wrong You can Ignore me all you want, You know I'm right. When Croke Park was being Opened up to "Foreign" Games where did the opposition come from? Northern Ireland. When the rule thats bans people from the British securty Forces was being removed the main opposition to this came from Northern Ireland. When the rule banning GAA members from Playing other sports was being the main opposition again came from Northern Ireland, in fact any thing progressive about the GAA has been opposed heavily from "Nationalists" in Northern ireland. As can be seen from this thread its more then 1 or 2 threads harping on bout how there "Victims"

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 11/11/2009 16:59:16    481309

Paddy you're back amongst again. And can I say that it is a great pity that you are. Methinks another sojourn in a Buddhist monastery far far away would do you and everyone else the world of good. The flight tickets to say, Ulan Bhator should be one way only. Your response to a fabulous post was unnecessary. offensive and highly antagonistic. I understand now where your poisonous antipathy to Joe kernan comes from. It certainly has nothing to do with football.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 11/11/2009 17:30:13    481343

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2007

You can Ignore me all you want, You know I'm right. When Croke Park was being Opened up to "Foreign" Games where did the opposition come from? Northern Ireland. When the rule thats bans people from the British securty Forces was being removed the main opposition to this came from Northern Ireland. When the rule banning GAA members from Playing other sports was being the main opposition again came from Northern Ireland, in fact any thing progressive about the GAA has been opposed heavily from "Nationalists" in Northern ireland. As can be seen from this thread its more then 1 or 2 threads harping on bout how there "Victims"

Cork objected to those as well however you have no problem with people from there. Have you ever stopped for a moment to think about why that is?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12425 - 11/11/2009 17:38:27    481351

orchardman
County: Armagh
Posts: 45

481256 dhorse...if you read one of my other posts on this topic you would understand what the relevance is.....an ruc memorial group brought this to the attention of the gaa,they werent in any hurry to ask for rememberance for the victims of ruc and loyalist death squads who were killed simply because of their involvement within the local gaa...thats my point,not difficult to grasp

Very difficult to grasp,,, you lads just whinge all the time

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/11/2009 17:43:21    481362