Jack Bolger from the Vols.

Yes I would agree with competitions every year as at moment for most Players there is a two year gap between teams.

Would there be teachers and the resources to run these competitions.

Mucksavage (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 11/11/2009 10:52:28    480917

Your accusation that you have to be from Shels, Glynn or Martins to play for Peters is ridiculous Duffy.

1. The coaches of the Peters teams aren't even from any of the three clubs you mentioned (except Brian Malone this year), so why would they favour players from these clubs? Many coaches are actually from town clubs!
2. Haven't a clue how many Harriers have played for the Peters in the last few years, enlighten me. I know the best hurler the Harriers have produced recently (Richie Kehoe) didn't go to Peters.
3. How many top quality hurlers have the Harriers produced who went to Peters but couldn't get a game there?
4. Could it be that these players are simply not good enough?
5. How do you know how these players perform in training and practice matches with Peters?
6. What does the Harriers being a "town team" have to do with anything? Of course Peters was built in the Town, why would they just build it out in the middle of nowhere? Do you think that players from the Town should get preferential treatment over players from other clubs within Peters' catchment area, e.g. Rosslare, Shels, Glynn etc.? Peters is in Clonard parish anyway (I think) so they should only select Clonard players by your logic.
7. Many young players (not just players from the town, although it does appear to be more prevelant among this demographic) have an attitude problem and seem to think they have a divine right to start for teams, but that isn't how it works.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 11/11/2009 11:04:07    480934

As for being bitter and not making the teams.

I am a past pupil and proud of it .


I always support the College

I did make all the teams from Juv right through to Senior .

I always felt that some managers not all had a bias and never felt all players were treated the same.

I speak as I do not out of bitterness but for a desire for the School to realise the potential it has given the clubs it draws from.

Mucksavage (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 11/11/2009 11:04:46    480936

Peters won Under 14 Leinster A Football Title last year. 5 Crossabeg-Ballymurn players on team, centre back from Sarsfields, captain from Buffers Alley. Dont think there is any bias there lads

dp (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 11/11/2009 12:43:23    481033

Peters won Under 14 Leinster A Football Title last year. 5 Crossabeg-Ballymurn players on team, centre back from Sarsfields, captain from Buffers Alley. Dont think there is any bias there lads

dp (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 11/11/2009 12:45:18    481040

2 or 3 from st fintans on de team aswell DP? Does Duffy89 actually know what he's talkin about or is he on de thread to get a reaction out of people?

ricky (None) - Posts: 86 - 11/11/2009 13:18:04    481069

The Issue is when it comes to picking of players of equal ability then certain players get preference.

As to last years St Peters team it consisted of cross section of Clubs.

The Captain is an exceptional player Andrew Kenny in both codes and will concentrate on hurling being from the alley. The Sarsfields Craig Heffernan is also an exceptional dual player and its a no braner in selection .

The presence of 5 Crossabeg players might seem a suprise but any one who has played them recently will know they have a very good core of 14/15 year olds at football many of whom are also very active in Athletic circles and most of whom were on Co dev squads. It would be hard to ignore any of them as included was the teams top goal scorer Andrew Butler .

Donal Shanley Jason Pettit St Fintains, Mark Donohoe Rosslare were another three all of which are big strong athletic players the same as the 7 listed above.

That peters team was a very big strong team.

Mucksavage (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 11/11/2009 14:19:11    481137

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The Issue is when it comes to picking of players of equal ability then certain players get preference.
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Uh, yeah. Of course there are going to be close calls in the selection of teams, not just in Peters, but in every sport and every club team. What's your point? Of course one player is going to get preference over the other, that is how teams are picked! There is not a conspiracy against the player who just doesn't make it, and instead of sulking that player needs to take it on the chin and redouble their efforts in training. If this player then sulks and drops off the panel due to their narrowly not making the team they are only proving the management right, as they don't have the mental strength to succeed.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 11/11/2009 15:18:44    481195

Duffy is dead right,the Peters need to start picking players from Maudlintown,the Fintans,Clonard and other superpowers of Wexford gaa if they are to suceed.I recall in my time there Duffy a young lad was spotted laughing when Richie Power scored a goal against us in a junior championship match to knock us out and he had to spend 3hours in solitory confinement that evening...

CRAZYHORSE69 (Wexford) - Posts: 16 - 11/11/2009 17:41:59    481359

Duffy is dead right,the Peters need to start picking players from Maudlintown,the Fintans,Clonard and other superpowers of Wexford gaa if they are to suceed.I recall in my time there Duffy a young lad was spotted laughing when Richie Power scored a goal against us in a junior championship match to knock us out and he had to spend 3hours in solitory confinement that evening...

How many Maudlintown lads go to St Peters compard to CBS and Tech? Fintans were well represented last year, but I suppose some of you may say that is because Robbie Callaghan in teaching there!! How many Clonard lads, same as Maudlintown actually attend the Peters as opposed to the CBS and Tech.

Those Crossabeg lads on the Peters team were worthy players and they have a core of good footballers in their clubs, same as the Fintans do these days, tremendous work being put in by their clubs at this age group. Things work in cycles, and the strength of Gorey, Rapps/Stars, Barntown and Glynn at under 12 and 14 at present may not always last. Other clubs ill have their purple patches and days in the sun. A good few Harriers lads in there at moment who have been very good u14 and u16 club hurlers for past 2-3 years, they are getting games in school!

I still feel that 4 school competitions at 1st year, 2nd year, U16 and senior would serve players better. It presently works in schools competitions such as athletics, hockey, basketball. Many 1st years do feel intimidated by older students (2nd and 3rd years) at school training and I strongly feel that a specific, structured competition program for them would increase playing numbers and give more lads an opportunity.

cailin (Wexford) - Posts: 143 - 11/11/2009 18:24:42    481419

Alright then boyo's,you's are going to win the All-Ireland with the fantastic talent that's up there,by the looks of it I should have said the Peter's are wasting talent seems you's are getting so many fantastic hurlers & footballers,Good Counsel got to the AI final only to get beat by Thurles,they have the same selection as the Peter's.so explain to me what needs to be done

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 11/11/2009 18:26:33    481420

11/11/2009 17:41:59
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481359 Duffy is dead right,the Peters need to start picking players from Maudlintown,the Fintans,Clonard and other superpowers of Wexford gaa if they are to suceed.I recall in my time there Duffy a young lad was spotted laughing when Richie Power scored a goal against us in a junior championship match to knock us out and he had to spend 3hours in solitory confinement that evening...



Your real funny ain't you,who's your club then ?

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 11/11/2009 18:27:31    481421

Duffy89 you first argued that players in Peters are not picked on talent/merit but rather the clubs they are from or who they are. I then gave an example of a team that had players from the clubs you said were ignored. You're answer to this is to say that the players on that team were very talented. I wonder why did the selectors pick them then?? Is it possible that they picked them based on their talent and not who they were or where they were from?

Nocky makes a very good point regarding players of equal ability, selectors have to make a call on that.

Regarding Cailin's point about more competitions I think Duffy89 hit the nail on the head when he said there might be a lack of teachers to take teams. Good Counsel and St Peters are very lucky to have so many teachers willing to get involved, look at other schools in the county where it is the same one or two teachers that take all the teams. I mean 4 competitions in both hurling and football would require at least 8 mentors and probably 16 if the training etc. is to be up to the standard you quite rightly demand, and dont forget all the other sports you mentioned such as athletics and basketball. I definately agree in an ideal world there would be a seperate competition for first and second years (and it is done in at least one other province, Connacht, however they dont have to deal with hurling to the same extent) but i dont think the man power would be there.

dp (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 11/11/2009 23:38:01    481770

have to agree with dp on his point of view ,st peters and good counsel have succeded in the past by picking the talented players and that will always continue ,if a player has no club and has all the talents he will play and he will enjoy his gaa .
just because a guy comes from a top club does not mean he should be on a club team .
i came from a super club in wexford town ,i couldn't hurl or kick football to a high standard and thats why i didnt make the teams no other reason .
people in wexford compare us to st kierans and kilkenny cbs all the time but at the end of the day ,they focus on one sport in wexford we have a proud tradition in two sports and i hope it stays that way .

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 18/11/2009 16:51:14    487535

Good Counsel will win the football this year handy

mondred (Wexford) - Posts: 872 - 23/11/2009 23:15:34    492377

Wel said mondred, Good Counsel College has always had the best football teams in Wexford/Leinster, they have top quality trainers in there like Aidan o' Brien. Won numerous leinsters in there and in my five years there we were never beaten by Peters!! they never had the quality of footballers that we had.

benassi (Wexford) - Posts: 19 - 24/11/2009 11:07:32    492544

Duffy, on the issue of a lack of Harriers players on St.Peter's teams, it could be due to the lack of Harriers players in the school. You obviously don't have enough knowledge or info on the setup there or else you would have realised this.

benching100 (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 23/05/2010 14:05:28    655760

well I was right. Good Counsel did win the south leinster and they won it handy

mondred (Wexford) - Posts: 872 - 23/05/2010 17:40:49    655863