GreenGlens10 that problem exists in our areas too so i dont think its fair to tar just city people with that problem. problems exist in all walks of life, we have to deal with them and the GAA is the perfect outlet to harness the youth of our areas. they can provide them with goals and put them in the right direction.

Dunloyrealist (Antrim) - Posts: 498 - 06/11/2009 10:51:46    476928

lenyard .....could you use your words properly to explain what that last post mean't? Try and keep those emotions in check and speak rationally this time as you come across as a complete fool when you don't. Sounds like too many of you lads want to keep permeating the total myth that NA folk hate SA folk. Does it make you feel better? Does it help justify in your own minds why so many talented SA hurlers fall by the wayside? Sure.... blaming somebody else is the easy option...but it will not change anything until youse accept that the truth lies closer to home. Just to clear this myth up....NA will help any SA club who is interested in proper development of the game. SA coaches who have shown an interest have joined NA coaches at the Munster Coaching courses (ask around). SA teams take part in the NA underage indoor competitions. SA teams play in NA leagues. The North/South divide thing is bull kept alive by people like lenyard etc who cannot back those views up.

theskull1 (Antrim) - Posts: 36 - 06/11/2009 11:06:13    476942

The is another post asking why Antrim is so bad. This is why! Petty in-fighting that will hold the county back.

saffron21 (Antrim) - Posts: 138 - 06/11/2009 11:43:39    476986

It is very hard to keep wee lads interested in hurling when you live in the city, there are too many distractions. OK country teams can argue its the same for them. But its not to the same extent.
City teams were a bit in the dole drums in the past few years but some clubs seem to be re- emerging through their hard work with the youth. If young men can be kept interested at the age of seventeen / eighteen you can be pretty sure they will continue playing into their early thirties. Most of the city clubs are going through a transition period but as Rossa are demonstrating they are not far away. Some posters think that North Antrim hurling is the only hurling in Antrim these people have to take a step back and re evaluate our position. We are all saffrons and we should be united in our ambitions to ignite what ever talent we have in the whole of the county for the betterment of our senior team. Will Dinny Cahill be the man to carry Antrim forward? Will he be wide eyed and look to every club for his panel or will he listen to the biased comments that the home of Antrim hurling is in the Glens. Time will tell.

silvertoungue (Antrim) - Posts: 101 - 06/11/2009 11:50:51    476996

Personally when Dinny arrives I can see him being lead astray but you north antrim folk, you could just imagine the conversation between a north antrim man and dinny, "Ah sure forget about them city boys there worth nothing, its north antrim men you want." That is a fact, I dont know one north antrim man that would stand up and acknowledge we have good SENIOR hurlers who can play for this county!

The_facts (Antrim) - Posts: 130 - 06/11/2009 12:27:11    477033

The reality is facts that at senior level we don't see enough of them hurling at the minute at the top level. If someone is good enough ...I don't care if he comes from the shankill. Why is it you boys persist with this notion that NA can't abide city slickers? Back it up please or else STFU

Personally I think dinny as well as his back room team, should also have knowledgable scouts operating at in every division looking for untapped talent in the club leagues. Big athletic hurlers who need work but possess the dedication required to develop their game should be identified. I would also like (know it won't happen) to see a maximum of 3 hurlers from a club representing the county on any year to ensure a good spread of players from all over the county (including Belfast clubs :) )

theskull1 (Antrim) - Posts: 36 - 06/11/2009 12:52:51    477062

The_facts County: Antrim Posts: 18 477033 Personally when Dinny arrives I can see him being lead astray but you north antrim folk, you could just imagine the conversation between a north antrim man and dinny, "Ah sure forget about them city boys there worth nothing, its north antrim men you want." That is a fact, I dont know one north antrim man that would stand up and acknowledge we have good SENIOR hurlers who can play for this county! You might have a point here. He is bring Gregory O'Kane in as a selector. Well Dinny is hardly going to go and watch a lot of club games and to ask Greg O'Kane to do it is a bit unrealistic , he is hardly going to go al over the county watching matches. Why not have a selector from the city to work with him then you are going to get a better view of the over all talent.

saffron21 (Antrim) - Posts: 138 - 06/11/2009 14:26:48    477162

Evidence you ask for? Well the last management team, made up of North Antrim men clearly showed a bias towards NA, to miss that fact is just showing your bias once more. The regime we had in place before them two, led by a Belfast man, was a lot more evenly matched, with a nicer spread of players from city and country clubs, and you don't need me to tell you we that we were hurling better back then. A north antrim county hurler was quoted saying "hurling doesn't exist in this city" so take of them tinted glasses that you wear and realise there is a problem there, most people in NA do have a problem with SA hurlers, and I for one can't wait until the City clubs are back!

The_facts (Antrim) - Posts: 130 - 06/11/2009 20:29:02    477650

You know I was going to post on here to support the_facts posts, but I realised I have nothing to add. He has isolated the problem and put it very succintly. If only there were more realistic men in Antrim we might get out of this mess of self delusion and belief we are better than we are.

flankie (Antrim) - Posts: 281 - 06/11/2009 23:49:35    477834

Well Flankie, at least I now know there are some sane people in this county!

The_facts (Antrim) - Posts: 130 - 06/11/2009 23:58:17    477838

Is Greg O'Kane taking up his position as selector?

The_facts (Antrim) - Posts: 130 - 11/11/2009 12:45:15    481039

Hey flankie, when did Mc Crackens play Hurling as I've never heard that mentioned by anyone in the club in the last thirty years. I always took it for granted they were a big ball club so its a surprise to me that you played hurling for them.

lufty (Antrim) - Posts: 77 - 11/11/2009 17:27:28    481340

lufty, if I answer that truthfully I may be giving away my age! Let's just say that not many my age have a computer never mind use one!

flankie (Antrim) - Posts: 281 - 11/11/2009 22:45:18    481696

I dont understand this debate really!of course Rossa have been perfoming very well of late in underage, but at senior level N.Antrim teams are extremely dominant and that is why there are so many on the Antrim team..simple fact they have better players!there are no Belfast teams left in division 1..including your own Flankie!it is not N.antrim v s.antrim its getting the best 15 out for county!

Ruairiog (Antrim) - Posts: 15 - 13/11/2009 18:12:31    483198

ruari og, I am not surprised my club is not in division one, considering we do not even field a hurling team! And if you would read some of my posts I am not denying that atm the strongest hurling clubs in antrim are from NA. I have explained my position ad nauseum, perhaps if you would read my other posts first you would understand were i am coming from and then maybe you could something to the discussion.

flankie (Antrim) - Posts: 281 - 14/11/2009 00:45:16    483491

flankie
well what exactly is your point then?

Ruairiog (Antrim) - Posts: 15 - 14/11/2009 14:55:39    483683

Since you obviously cannot read I will spell it out to you. There are more good hurlers in SA than you would be led to believe if you used recent county teams as your only point of observation. There is a disproportionate amount of NA players mainly due to the fact that they are from a big team and so are assumed to be good. If your a decent player on a big NA team you are more likely to be picked for the county team than an excellent player from a city team. The most recent teams were especially bad for this. Lastly the best teams do not contain the best players. One of Tryone's all Ireland winning teams had one player (Conor Gormley) on the panel whilst a junior team (Clan Na Gael or Moy could be both) had 3 players. This sort of thing would never happen in Antrim. And I believe this is a fault in the mindset of NA mangers and certain sections of NA clubs. This can be seen even on this board when I suggested a few junior hurlers from the city. Therefore even if there are no city teams in div 1, it does not mean that there should be so little city players on the county panel. Teams should not be picked on where you come from and what team you play for!

flankie (Antrim) - Posts: 281 - 14/11/2009 19:08:19    483855

flankie so of the boys you listed couldn't hurl snow off a rope

jesusjones (Antrim) - Posts: 385 - 14/11/2009 20:53:40    483889

Flankie can i ask where i mc crackens you played hurling? You sure your getting mixed up with your club st johns

kdog15 (Antrim) - Posts: 197 - 15/11/2009 09:41:01    484049

You can not compare the state of Antrim hurling to Tyrone football, they have a much better league/championship set up and this is why they have players from lower divisons, simple as.

GreenGlens10 (Antrim) - Posts: 64 - 15/11/2009 12:37:22    484116