I heard that Dublin's usual training programme is based on pure intense weight lifting? If this is correct it would probably contribute to a lack of speed or workrate. Has anyone any good knowledge on this?

redhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 153 - 24/10/2009 22:35:44    465446

yes i agree fully speed and movement is more importand than lifting weights as the last time i remember a ball isnt that heavy ha ha ha

delboydub (Dublin) - Posts: 665 - 25/10/2009 12:26:32    465705

Im up in DCU doing a fitness and personal training course. Whilst muscle building is great for loads of things. IMO Dublin should be speed training their asses off. Also some football skills like hand passing and kicking could be of benefit. Probably muscle training to show all the girlies in coppers how tuff they are and to fill out the sleeves in their jerseys so their mammies wont have to put a stitich in it next year. As you can tell im not bitter about the lack of performance again this year

7liverpool (Dublin) - Posts: 8 - 25/10/2009 13:41:43    465752

redhand
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465446 I heard that Dublin's usual training programme is based on pure intense weight lifting? If this is correct it would probably contribute to a lack of speed or workrate. Has anyone any good knowledge on this?
25/10/2009 12:26:32

this type of post makes my blood boil

Dublin09 (Dublin) - Posts: 433 - 25/10/2009 20:07:02    465998

Dublin09 - can you explain how this makes your blood boil. surely there is some factor for the lack of performance outside of Leinster??

redhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 153 - 25/10/2009 23:03:51    466177

Dublin09-the more muscle you put on the slower you are to move whereas the less muscle(but not no muscle) will leave ur speed and movment quicker.
Now that can't make your blood surely...

FaceThatBall (Tyrone) - Posts: 140 - 01/11/2009 19:18:49    472414

redhand
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466177 Dublin09 - can you explain how this makes your blood boil. surely there is some factor for the lack of performance outside of Leinster??

dont know why i bother replying to fools.dublin have an always will be the most fittest team in the country were not losing it on them lines.

Dublin09 (Dublin) - Posts: 433 - 01/11/2009 21:57:36    472553

not a great thread by our tryone pal but here's my very short reply...year in year out dublin teams tend to be as fit if not fitter than most of their opposition...they do train very hard for long sections of the year with club and county so its hard not to be fit...what we lack is top class decisive,technical ability, a large amount of confidence on the biggest stage and maybe a run or two of the ball in some memorable close matches...no small fix required.do the ground work and lay the foundations for a new breed of dublin footballer...

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 01/11/2009 22:51:43    472601

redhand
County: Tyrone
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466177 Dublin09 - can you explain how this makes your blood boil. surely there is some factor for the lack of performance outside of Leinster??

So Redhand seeing as the mighty Tyrone have won a massive 3 All Irelands in the last 125 years this means they must've spent a lot of time in the gym?

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 02/11/2009 00:46:00    472669

redhand i wouldnt be listening to who ever told you that.the training is definetly not based on weight lifting.

finglas full ba (None) - Posts: 636 - 03/11/2009 19:47:12    474379

redhand
County: Tyrone.


I think the slow workrate and lack of speed accounts for over twenty all-Ireland titles, we must study tyrones' success.

Rolex (Dublin) - Posts: 18 - 08/11/2009 19:07:03    478826

Yes Dublins training programme is based on alot of weights I think you only had to look at Bernard Brogan against Tyrone at the start of the year to see that. They lift weights 3 -4 times a week which is fairly normal for any county team in the off season. Although they obviously do various exercises like dips and curls which are not really necessary.

Weights DO NOT make you slow if you have a structured programme that is transfered into a strength and power for the in season through olympic lifts, polymetrics etc. A structured weight training programme will also help players stay injury free. How you can say that doing weights "contribute to a lack of speed or workrate" does not make sence unless the programme is designed wrong but im sure Dublin have researched this. Usain Bolt the fasest man on earth does weights so does every other sprinter. How do you think they gets the physiques they have.

Dublin train tue, thur and weekends on a pitch with a ball so I dont think they are not getting enough ball time and fitness levels are very high. Possbily football ability and self belief might be the problem but saying that Dublin are not a bad team they are in Division 1 league and have won the last 5 or 6 Leinster titles.

But sticking to the post in relation to weights if you want to read further on weight training get a book called Functional Training For Sports by Mike Boyle. He is one of the top strength and conditioning coaches in the US he also has a website called www.strengthcoach.com and www.bodyboyle.com.

See atricle in next post on how Kerry train.

Cowboy (Roscommon) - Posts: 11 - 09/11/2009 12:44:43    479305

Flanagan shakes up Kingdom training regime as he sees fit
WHAT the hell are Kerry doing in training?

How Kerry train - Weights There are three different weight programmes, for young players, seasoned regulars and experienced veterans, with suitable loading. These are done individually, all year, and change every six to eight weeks.
Flanagan believes leg strength - through squats and cleans and variations of same - is the most important area for footballers, not the upper body. "Footballers don't run on their hands," he says.
Running Under Flanagan, Kerry have never run laps or prolonged continuous training. They rarely run further than 200m in one burst. They build power and speed by short, sharp bursts and repetitions. A preferred session would include 16x60m sprints rather than 8x100m, and their running is often against resistance equipment.
Agility and balance to maximise speed and avoid injury is also worked on with SAQ (Speed, Agility, Quickness ) drills and equipment.
Intensity The emphasis on football drills is not just on the quality of the pass/kick but on the speed it is performed at and by practising this way, running speed and strength is a natural by-product.
Physical challenges, whether opponents or tackle-bags, are also added into drills to increase physical power and replicate game situations.
Core Something new Kerry introduced this year. Strengthening the torso or 'core work' by stationary exercises is the new buzzword in fitness training, used by sprinters like Derval O'Rourke to distance runners like Paula Radcliffe.
The belief is that strengthening the body's core central muscles stabilises other muscles and joints to work (biomechanically) more efficiently, while also lessening the stress on them and injury potential.
Rest Flanagan believes rest and recovery periods are more important for Gaelic players than most athletes because they are amateurs. Kerry pride themselves in not losing players to hamstring or muscle injuries. Most long-term injuries of recent years were from contact, not over-training.
Rest periods are built into training and players who show signs of fatigue are given time off. While in Portugal, they trained two or three times a day. If they got up early for a strength session (weights), they would then go back to bed, before football and speed-endurance sessions later.

Cowboy (Roscommon) - Posts: 11 - 09/11/2009 12:45:09    479306

Since 2003, Tyrone have won 3 all irelands, Dublin have won no national titles this decade. surely, all you Dublin 'smarties' would understand that i am clearly talking about a more recent training programme. nobody mentioned over the whole 125 years of GAA. The facts are simple, Tyrone have obviously developed an outstanding training programme whereas Dublin have failed to get to grips with the current pace of the game and the tactics involved, this was evident in the Dublin v Kerry game this year. You win nothing with big muscles guys [apart from the fights in the pub afterwards for use boys down there drinking away your sorrow]

redhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 153 - 10/11/2009 19:43:54    480586

redhand
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480586 Since 2003, Tyrone have won 3 all irelands, Dublin have won no national titles this decade. surely, all you Dublin 'smarties' would understand that i am clearly talking about a more recent training programme. nobody mentioned over the whole 125 years of GAA. The facts are simple, Tyrone have obviously developed an outstanding training programme whereas Dublin have failed to get to grips with the current pace of the game and the tactics involved, this was evident in the Dublin v Kerry game this year. You win nothing with big muscles guys [apart from the fights in the pub afterwards for use boys down there drinking away your sorrow]


Sorry lad the Gaa did'nt begin in 2003, 3 All Irelands in the last 125 years, end of

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 11/11/2009 18:56:11    481448

As a Dublin supporter, I think that there appears to be an over emphasis on body building or bulking up with our panel. A perfect example of this is Brian Cullen and Conal Keaney. Both were and still are very talented, but in the last few years their speed and agility appears to have been overtaken with extra muscle. It is clear that they have slowed down considerably eve though both are still quite young. Another thing I have noticed is the pre match warm ups... In my opinion they are a joke and have got worse since Gilroy took over. I have looked at Tyrone, Kerry and Armagh in recent years and their warm ups are intricate and intense. Then you look down towards the Hill and you see us kicking balls all over the place like a juvenile team... Our skill levels are not what they should be for us to win Sam, and I think more emphasis on Skills, Speed and Tactics and less on Muscle is the way to go. This all stems back to when Armagh physically steamrollered over us a few years back and Pillar said that no Dublin team would ever be out muscled again and so began the switch in priorities....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4267 - 12/11/2009 09:23:04    481880

As a Dubs supporter I have to agree, the Dublin warm-ups are indeed a joke however these warm-ups only commenced under the coaching of Mickey Whelan. They looked poor before games last year, ressembled more of an under-age warm-up. Under Pillar and his Management Team, they always looked fit and agile and the warm-ups ressembled a team with major endeavour. Sadly I think Dublin have gone backwards instead of forwards in the last year and the supporters can only look on with frustration.......would you wonder that some of the dual stars might be tempted to answer Anthony Daly's call. That man would certainly instill passion and hunger into ye...

Mollymalone (Dublin) - Posts: 1137 - 12/11/2009 13:07:14    482064

PJ
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481448 redhand
County: Tyrone
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480586 Since 2003, Tyrone have won 3 all irelands, Dublin have won no national titles this decade. surely, all you Dublin 'smarties' would understand that i am clearly talking about a more recent training programme. nobody mentioned over the whole 125 years of GAA. The facts are simple, Tyrone have obviously developed an outstanding training programme whereas Dublin have failed to get to grips with the current pace of the game and the tactics involved, this was evident in the Dublin v Kerry game this year. You win nothing with big muscles guys [apart from the fights in the pub afterwards for use boys down there drinking away your sorrow]


Sorry lad the Gaa did'nt begin in 2003, 3 All Irelands in the last 125 years, end of
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Again i reiterate, im talking about a more recent training programme no that of the last 125 years. Read the comment again before leaving any silly posts young PJ.

redhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 153 - 12/11/2009 23:22:16    482612

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County: Tyrone
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482612 PJ
County: All
Posts: 1435

481448 redhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 88

480586 Since 2003, Tyrone have won 3 all irelands, Dublin have won no national titles this decade. surely, all you Dublin 'smarties' would understand that i am clearly talking about a more recent training programme. nobody mentioned over the whole 125 years of GAA. The facts are simple, Tyrone have obviously developed an outstanding training programme whereas Dublin have failed to get to grips with the current pace of the game and the tactics involved, this was evident in the Dublin v Kerry game this year. You win nothing with big muscles guys [apart from the fights in the pub afterwards for use boys down there drinking away your sorrow]


Sorry lad the Gaa did'nt begin in 2003, 3 All Irelands in the last 125 years, end of
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Again i reiterate, im talking about a more recent training programme no that of the last 125 years. Read the comment again before leaving any silly posts young PJ.


Oh did I upset the Redhand Wum, good! Even the dogs in the street know that Tyrone posters can only talk 'recent' years when it comes to GAA matters, for obvious reasons. I will reiterate this point if needs be, and you should be aware that you will get silly posts on silly threads.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 13/11/2009 19:25:01    483248

25/10/2009 13:41:43 7liverpool County: Dublin Posts: 6 465752 Im up in DCU doing a fitness and personal training course. Whilst muscle building is great for loads of things. IMO Dublin should be speed training their asses off. Also some football skills like hand passing and kicking could be of benefit. As you can tell im not bitter about the lack of performance again this year This is a man who know's and yet you's are jumping down the throat of redhand who's pointing out the exact same thing.

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 14/11/2009 00:16:17    483471