3inarow08
County: Kerry
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455284 Tongo
County: UK
Posts: 34

I'm in favour. Two provinces, Munster and Connacht, are by and large always won by just two counties. Ulster, and to a lesser extent Leinster, are far more competitive. The back door system lessens the advantage that the strong counties in Connacht and Munster currently have.
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What a load of tosh.

Munster and Connacht are as competitive, if not more, than Ulster, the only difference being Ulster having more teams than the other two. Which makes Ulster worse in my eyes. You say only two counties win Connacht and Munster - name a county other than these two counties, Tyrone and Armagh, that have won Ulster in the last ten years? Answer - NOBODY. So while Kerry, Cork and Tyrone, Armagh dominate their provinces, at least Sligo put up a challenge to Galway and Mayo in the recent past. As for Leinster, yes Dublin have won the last 5 in a row, but many other counties have won it in the last 10 years, ie Meath, Kildare, Laois.

Basically it all has to do with the number of teams in each province. The more teams in a province the more likelihood you have of having different teams winning it each year. It's to Dublin's credit that they have been so consistent in Leinster the last 5 years. The provincial system should be scrapped and be drawn up into 4 groups of 8 teams each.



Very weak argument there.Apart from Clare in 92 you have to go right back to 1935 for a winner other than Kerry or Cork.It's the only province like that.Yeah you're right it must be the numbers.

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 15/10/2009 18:18:08    455686

KEEP THE BACKDOOR THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO GREAT WICKLOW RUN IT BENEFITS WEAKER COUNTIES

dubs4eva (Dublin) - Posts: 484 - 15/10/2009 21:39:10    455884

I like it the way it is to be honest only thing i would change is how to give provincil winners a second bite how not sure or even group stages as counties will get more than 2 games .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 15/10/2009 22:23:02    455932

Bring back the old championship.But it will never happen as the GAA would loose out on aload of money from enternce fees as there would be alot less matches.Money is all the GAA care about.they dont care about the likes of wicklow who get a good run in the championship from the qualifiers

FATtoby (UK) - Posts: 47 - 15/10/2009 22:30:43    455952

northpole
So while Kerry, Cork and Tyrone, Armagh dominate their provinces, at least Sligo put up a challenge to Galway and Mayo in the recent past.

What about Limerick's challenge to Cork this year at the Munster final, Cork just barely beat them by 1 point-Limerick played great and with Micky Neds tactics put a stop to Corks attacking centre backs

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 15/10/2009 23:41:56    456065

ellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 7082

455932
I like it the way it is to be honest only thing i would change is how to give provincil winners a second bite how not sure or even group stages as counties will get more than 2 games .

I agree. Let the provincial champs have home advantage or second go.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 16/10/2009 00:10:02    456088

Its an Irish solution......

when is a knockout not a knockout?

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 16/10/2009 00:25:24    456097

Not just an Irish solution. It's used elsewhere too and called double-elimination.

Sionnach (Kerry) - Posts: 77 - 16/10/2009 00:43:39    456111

bring back the knockout thats real champiuonchip

jailhouse.usa (Galway) - Posts: 1155 - 16/10/2009 01:14:39    456127

I've come to the conclusion that no matter what is said, triona is forever gonna be convinced that Munster is competitive. If nothing else, the qualifiers have provided counties who would traditionally have seen their championship end after one game an opportunity for another day in the sun and brings the Championship to places that may have seen little action in the past. Kerry playing Antrim in Tullamore, surely that's a good thing? I'd be pretty chuffed if i lived in Tullamore and had the opportunity to watch that game. The back door does give an advantage to the stronger counties, but also enhances the Championship for the weaker counties. I saw Meath play Limerick in Portlaoise this year and whilst it wasn't the best Football, it was still an entertaining match and a decent day out for those that went along. We all love the GAA and we all love it when the Championship comes round in May. If the backdoor does nothing else, at least it extends the season for those who ordinarily have just one meaningful game a summer.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 16/10/2009 07:28:06    456156

BIG SACKS
County: Tyrone
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456097 Its an Irish solution......

when is a knockout not a knockout?

Yep. like the Lisbon Treaty.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 16/10/2009 09:02:49    456174

Tongo
County: UK
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I've come to the conclusion that no matter what is said, triona is forever gonna be convinced that Munster is competitive.
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You're trying to put words in my mouth now.

I'm not the one putting down Munster and Connacht, and I'm not saying Munster is competitive. I'm quite simply saying that if there were more than 6 counties in Munster that there is more of a chance of the extra counties doing well and possibly winning every so often. I just don't buy this argument that Ulster is the most competitive province. Certainly not through history, and definitely not in the last 10 years, when they've had the same number of different winners as the Munster Championship have had.

Lazy journalism and an inability for people to make their own minds up would lead people to think that Ulster is the most competitive. In my mind, the rankings for most competitive province in the last ten years are as follows:

1. Leinster
2. Connacht
3. Munster/Ulster.

3inarow08 (Kerry) - Posts: 2455 - 16/10/2009 10:19:38    456231

Real Kerry Fan
County: All
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456174 BIG SACKS
County: Tyrone
Posts: 768

456097 Its an Irish solution......

when is a knockout not a knockout?

Yep. like the Lisbon Treaty.

It's a knockout is when Stuart Hall presents it.Great show that.

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 16/10/2009 16:25:09    456584

How about a side door? Or even a half door.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 16/10/2009 18:44:16    456712

---- Or even a patio door, and in the garden we could have a BBQ all for the weaker counties.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3205 - 16/10/2009 20:11:58    456802

in favor of back door. youd just have the same old story year in year out. there wouldnt be any excitment anymore

mondred (Wexford) - Posts: 872 - 16/10/2009 22:20:19    456923

Realest, just remember that if there was straight knockout Cork wouldn't be making it out of Munster at all.

With the back door system in place, Kerry don't really start training until after the Munster championship and plod along until then!

This year Cork's intensive training was too much for our plodding in June but in a straight knock out don't worry we would be up to scratch a lot earlier in the year

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 16/10/2009 23:33:09    456989

Keep it.

Its not just about the big teams you know.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2954 - 17/10/2009 02:37:27    457032

sponger
County: Wicklow
Posts: 202

457032 Keep it.

Its not just about the big teams you know.

Apparantly it is sponger, and it always has been.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3205 - 17/10/2009 11:53:37    457118