paddyogall, my dear friend On the verge of bankrupcy, 12% Unemployment and rising, One of the worst poverty levels in the Developed world, This is not unique to Ireland, pretty much the same script globally Criminals Masquerading as "Nationalists" and "Republicans" traying to "Free" us. Yes look where we are today! Who are these criminals you refer to? Was it ok for Collins and Co to fight but the latest campaign was illegal and they where all terrorists? The English and U.S troops are not terrorists they are liberators But do i know sure i'm English and i talk nonsense well you said it not me!

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 08/10/2009 22:27:51    449168

which of my comments are you replying from master

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4201 - 09/10/2009 00:25:48    449284

finglas full ba
County: All
Posts: 367

449087 how could any irish man not want their country reunited.regardless of economics or the fact that you get the odd schmozzle up the north between the 2 communities the fact remains a forgein force occupys a large chunk of our country and a couple of 100 thousand of our citizens are being forced to live and work under a forgein and sometimes hostile regime .britain says its their land so we all have to tow the line and agree,well sorry bucko i dont accept that.its our country and it should be hand back along with an apolagy,highly unlikely i hear you say but thems the facts.
god its depressing reading some of the southern post,the celtic tiger took away our soul .

100% agree well said

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 09/10/2009 12:37:47    449508

northpole
County: Derry
Posts: 439

.So it could be up to Scotland...hoots mon och aye the noo!!


I have never heard anybody in Scotland ever use that term so top of the morning to ye.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 09/10/2009 13:43:25    449578

daid09 not the best of sources there.

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 09/10/2009 13:43:31    449579

finglas full ba County: All Posts: 367 449087 how could any irish man not want their country reunited.regardless of economics or the fact that you get the odd schmozzle up the north between the 2 communities the fact remains a forgein force occupys a large chunk of our country and a couple of 100 thousand of our citizens are being forced to live and work under a forgein and sometimes hostile regime .britain says its their land so we all have to tow the line and agree,well sorry bucko i dont accept that.its our country and it should be hand back along with an apolagy,highly unlikely i hear you say but thems the facts. god its depressing reading some of the southern post,the celtic tiger took away our soul . Funnily enough I don't think the Celtic Tiger had anything to do with people's views, for if ever there was a time to look for a United Ireland it would have being during the Celtic Tiger when the country was awash with money. Its all well and good for finglas full ba to come on here and state that uniting the country has nothing to do with economics, it has everything to do with economics, as while I'm sure that a majority of people down here would like to see a United Ireland, we are not that desperate to see it that we would have no problem with huge increases in taxes, all for the sake of a United Ireland. Add in the massive increases in security costs due to a very unhappy loyalist population, and you could potentially have a return to the bad old days but this time in reverse with the loyalist paramilataries attacking Gardai, the army and the State, and Republican paramilitaries on the defensive. No offence to our Police Force and army, but if one of the best armies in the world were not able to defeat the IRA, I seriously doubt that our army could hold the peace in the North along with the Gardai. Call it unpatritoic but I don't think there is any major impetus down here for a United Ireland, no matter what the Shinners are their supporters say.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 09/10/2009 14:15:38    449620

34_2_1 i'm interested also. What are you doing for the republican cause? Are you a member of a Political party? are you a socialist?

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 09/10/2009 14:22:13    449627

Any one remember what the men and women of 1916 set out to achieve?

wasnt it a marxist socialist state...no thanks

with a special place for the catholic church...no thanks

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 09/10/2009 15:22:57    449688

gilly2038 i understand what you are saying but from my point of view its morally wrong for us down here to not want our country back after so many people gave up their lives for it.i know its a common tune sang by the shinners but that is my personal belief,and i am not a fan of the shinners ,im not a fan of any political party

finglas full ba (None) - Posts: 636 - 09/10/2009 16:53:26    449863

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 1528

449688
Any one remember what the men and women of 1916 set out to achieve?



Or as Luke Kelly recited;

"For what died the sons of Roisin, was it GREED?"

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 09/10/2009 20:54:07    450133

all it would mean would be a switch from london footing the bill to dublin footing the bill- no thanks ye made yer bed...

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 09/10/2009 21:02:06    450140

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 4725

450133 bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 1528

449688
Any one remember what the men and women of 1916 set out to achieve?



Or as Luke Kelly recited;

"For what died the sons of Roisin, was it GREED?"

for nothing

david09 (Kildare) - Posts: 115 - 09/10/2009 21:16:24    450158

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 4725

450133 bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 1528

449688
Any one remember what the men and women of 1916 set out to achieve?

i often tried to figure that out, Some sort a marxist socialist republic and a catholic hegemony.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/10/2009 21:18:22    450160

when the british came in they took the land rights away from the catholic property owners and then started resettling the north with english protestant overseers. parallels have been made to the jewish settlements in gaza etc, which are not entirely valid, but it gives you an idea anyway. eventually the southern 26 counties won their independence but the northern 6 voted to remain british. the protestant descendants were worried about retribution without british protection, you see. justifiably, it must be noted. many people in the south don't identify with the north because it is so different, politically/religiously/historically. but at this point, i think mostly people just want peace. and they are willing to sacrifice unity to have it. if the religious stuff ever fades into history, maybe there will be a reconciliation and unity. but it's hard to even talk about "reconciliation" because they were never brethren to begin with, aside from the minority celtic-descent still living in the north.

david09 (Kildare) - Posts: 115 - 09/10/2009 21:45:40    450187

well lets get this socialist marxist state- immediately the public sector employees should give back their 26% pay differential- same line by the unions all the time has every bit of research ever been done been wrong? the unions are the present day capitalists driving all socialst agendas aside in the persuit of their untimate aim-total insolvency

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 09/10/2009 22:29:04    450229

liathroidboy County: Mayo Posts: 295 450140 all it would mean would be a switch from london footing the bill to dublin footing the bill- no thanks ye made yer bed... I am intrigued as to what you actually mean here Ballboy. Who made the bed for us? Unless my reading of Irish history is wrong then it was the cowardly Dublin government who laid the bed. Not much changes over the years as the people of the 26 counties still will not stand up for what is right. Your current political situation is a case in point. An Cheann Comhairle robs the country blind in his current post as well as when he was a minister and yet your cowardly government and by extension the people accept this, allow him to resign gracefully, pick up 90,000 as well as a pension and an immediate return to Dail Eireann as a TD. To be honest, as an ideal a United Ireland seems wonderful, and it should be an aim of the Free State government and its people. The reality is that it will eventually I believe occur but will take years and by that I mean a generation or two. Currently I would not want a United Ireland. I have a safe job, a pretty decent standard of living all of which would be under immense pressure should I have to become a member of a United Ireland. Like Mr O'Gall and yourself, its the economic reality that puts me off and I would suggest that this will be the reality again for years to come. The Master I think made reference to Portugal and Spain and likened it to our situation. How ludicrous is that? To define the Free State and the occupied six as two different countries in black and white terms is preposterous and shows a distinct lack of either intelligence or understanding. Up until 90 odd years ago, this island was as it always was, one country. An imperial force through centuries of plantation and religious agitation caused a seismic rift between two sets of christianity for its own greedy purposes which finally led to partition. For years the British fostered and encouraged tribal warfare between Catholic and Protestant in order to leep their grip on this island. Also note the fact that most industry in Ireland in the early part of this century was in Belfast. Now that they have other greedy wars to get involved in with their American masters that may end up as more profitable to them their interest in here is finished. It now costs them substantial money to govern this part of the island and with no return. This is why they are now trying to have the two communities embrace each other. To sum up, a mixture of cowardice on the Free State governments part, greed on England's part caused this island to be divided into two entities. The current position however is that I do not want to be part of a united island at this point especially as it would appear that such a notion is anethma to a large percentage of this living in the 26 counties and that never mind the south being worse off, the people of the north would be.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 09/10/2009 23:25:12    450271

partition was a compromise for unionists perhaps the biggest unionist of all time was "carson" a DUBLINER. the culture of unionism down south faded because of the y felt isolated and many moved to england etc. The northern ireland state was created to faccilitate a comfortable unionist majority, the other 3 counties with a large unionist population were not included because it would have given a 50/5o split. But fermanagh , armagh and tyrone were kept because as to make the "country" big enought to be conomically viable. Why should eighty odd years make a difference... If 200,000 polish moved to roscommon and roscommon was declared part of poland would that make the irish people in roscommon niot irish... Remember it was not so long ago grafton and o'connel street were lined with union jacks, something people are too quick to forget just because they haven;'t lived under british rule in their own time...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 11/10/2009 15:59:09    451170

its black and white really the law states they are two different countries so opinion on here regarding sentiment are just pathetic in my opinion- the law is all that matters really, ye made yer bed, its pointless explaining it to ye, ye havent ever listened to reason before i doubt ye will now- one mans terrorist is another mans feedom fighter - its funny that ye havent realised even that yet, its actually a comical story the north drive, both sides think there is only one side to a coin, the political parties are alinged with terrorist groups, and there are many terrorists in government- make you realise why the people in the north have a problem with reality- if the only way you can define yourself is by religion its a sad state of affairs- thank god its not our mess

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 11/10/2009 22:16:49    451399

david09
County: Kildare
Posts: 60

450187 when the british came in they took the land rights away from the catholic property owners and then started resettling the north with english protestant overseers. parallels have been made to the jewish settlements in gaza etc, which are not entirely valid, but it gives you an idea anyway.
why are they not valid

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/10/2009 23:28:24    451458

32_4_1
County: Meath
Posts: 1144

some people down south are greedy sell-outs. care only about themselves and their own freedom. as long as they are happy nothing else matters

This one

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/10/2009 11:42:47    451683