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I would say yes.An aside would be what happens when Scotland exits stage door left from the UK?Not this year or next but certainly within the next 50 or so or before.London will want to offload Norn Iron and tighten it's borders.I guess an accommodation will be reached for this to happen.So it could be up to Scotland...hoots mon och aye the noo!! northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 08/10/2009 13:43:02 448592 Link 0 |
Cavan_Slasher brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 08/10/2009 13:45:27 448594 Link 0 |
wise_guy County: Tyrone Posts: 650 448028 the thing that annoys me is that I have never before heard anyone in the 26 counties I have ever met, and I have met alot from living and working in different parts through out the country, none have ever said they would not like a United and Independant Ireland. In fact alot of people be up your hole for news and stories and are all big Republicians/Nationalists, but on H.S. some (not all) be full of resentment towards the occupied 6 counties and all pro-brit. Any one remember what the men and women of 1916 set out to achieve, when the country was divided it went to civil war. Collins' said it was a stepping stone to the ultimate freedom! So every thing these men done, as well as those previous and after, was all in vain because the brits already had plans to establish a seperate state in the north of the country before the outbreak of WW1! Maybe Dev was right to reject the treaty becaue those in the "south" have changed their mind and are happy with waht they have, did Dev see this coming?? A resounding YES for me. Well said lad. It actually sickens me to hear people say no. We have it too easy these days. We take it for granted what these brave men done for us in the 1916 rising and the war of independence. If it was not for them we wouldnt be were we are today! ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 08/10/2009 14:40:58 448655 Link 0 |
Can anyone give me a valid reason why someone in Limerick, Clare or Mayo would want the north back? Or is it just that you think we "should" want it back? Well I dont. No interest. Ye are in Britain, we are in the Republic and I and many more of us are happy to keep it that way. Ye would be way more hassle than ye would be worth, and what would ye offer us in way fo soccer players? David Healy? Ha ha! You can keep him thanks. Mikeynora (Limerick) - Posts: 888 - 08/10/2009 15:33:07 448714 Link 0 |
ConnollyDub County: Dublin Posts: 328 448655 wise_guy County: Tyrone Posts: 650 448028 the thing that annoys me is that I have never before heard anyone in the 26 counties I have ever met, and I have met alot from living and working in different parts through out the country, none have ever said they would not like a United and Independant Ireland. In fact alot of people be up your hole for news and stories and are all big Republicians/Nationalists, but on H.S. some (not all) be full of resentment towards the occupied 6 counties and all pro-brit. Any one remember what the men and women of 1916 set out to achieve, when the country was divided it went to civil war. Collins' said it was a stepping stone to the ultimate freedom! So every thing these men done, as well as those previous and after, was all in vain because the brits already had plans to establish a seperate state in the north of the country before the outbreak of WW1! Maybe Dev was right to reject the treaty becaue those in the "south" have changed their mind and are happy with waht they have, did Dev see this coming?? A resounding YES for me. Well said lad. It actually sickens me to hear people say no. We have it too easy these days. We take it for granted what these brave men done for us in the 1916 rising and the war of independence. If it was not for them we wouldnt be were we are today! On the verge of bankrupcy, 12% Unemployment and rising, One of the worst poverty levels in the Developed world, Criminals Masquerading as "Nationalists" and "Republicans" traying to "Free" us. Yes look where we are today! But do i know sure i'm English and i talk nonsense paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 08/10/2009 15:33:34 448716 Link 0 |
paddy are you english i thought you were from mayo with cornish blood and sure the cornish are celts as well , as one chicken said to another about scrambled egg there goes my mixed up kid hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 08/10/2009 15:59:20 448751 Link 0 |
Well Hipster all the of revisonists and partionists like to point out i'm English paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 08/10/2009 16:38:57 448790 Link 0 |
Mikeynora County: Limerick Posts: 191 Great word of the word ye. Is it the word of the week on Sesame street or something. This weeks number is 32. Why would the country want Limerick. Stab city and the highest crime rate in the country. Sure ye are more hassle than your worth. Yop (Wexford) - Posts: 362 - 08/10/2009 16:59:50 448811 Link 0 |
paddyogall the people of 1916 didn t get us into this mess. allSOran (Sligo) - Posts: 690 - 08/10/2009 17:06:58 448820 Link 0 |
Yes, but not at the expense of innocent people's lives. Royal_Girl2k9 (Meath) - Posts: 2107 - 08/10/2009 17:11:05 448824 Link 0 |
hipster dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 08/10/2009 17:17:52 448831 Link 0 |
ConnollyDub dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 08/10/2009 17:19:50 448835 Link 0 |
Mikeynora.... Well I dont. No interest. Ye are in Britain Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 08/10/2009 17:26:00 448848 Link 0 |
hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 08/10/2009 17:27:51 448852 Link 0 |
well paddy makes no differnce to me your a good and witty poster who knows his politics and sports unlike some hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 08/10/2009 18:21:37 448928 Link 0 |
its extremely niave to suggest if catholics/ republican side had the majority in the north and a referendum was held and they won- that the south would just open their arms. what i mean here is sentiment is talked but when the fihures are actually released in such an event the southern voters will see that the north is the uks civil service centre- and these people will alll be unemployed in the new ireland- basically what i am saying is the north is a black hole in economic terms and has always bailed out by london- it would never add up the north simply cant fend for itself so why on earth would someone want to take on the mess never mind sayimng anything politicial on economics along a disaster of an idea and would be soundly defeated at the ballot box- sentiment is fine but at what price are the sounthern people prepared to pay for this mess - a no vote to lisbon would cause less damage then such fantasy- definately no there aint one decent reason it bar5 the sentiment of those who wont actually have to pay for it liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 08/10/2009 19:53:23 449015 Link 0 |
SINN Fein aspirations for a united Ireland have been dismissed for the next quarter of a century by senior Irish government sources. The News Letter has been told by high-ranking Irish officials that they do not expect Northern Ireland's constitutional position to be raised again for "20 to 25 years". The Dublin administration opinion comes after Secretary of State Peter Hain told the News Letter: "I think that, in a sense, the constitutional question is parked." And the DUP has claimed hopes of a united Ireland are "a pipe dream" after a new study revealed that only 56 per cent of Catholics actually favour Irish unity. The 2007 Life and Times Survey also showed that 85 per cent of Protestants and 22 per cent of Catholics support Northern Ireland remaining part of the United Kingdom. Senior Irish sources said: "Devolution needs to bed in and then we see what happens from there. "There is no appetite or plans in Dublin to get into an Irish unity debate in five years time or anything like that. "The north has come through difficult times and much upheaval and the view in Dublin and London is that it now needs to settle down and develop as a region of these islands. "Unionists are secure in knowing that under the Good Friday Agreement that is within the United Kingdom. "While nationalists can feel secure that they have a place in government and the north has stronger ties with the south and new working relationships." One of the sources said: "I do not believe there will be any significant constitutional debates for 20 to 25 years. The new arrangements need that long to bed in and create a new arrangement." Sinn Fein has persistently been pressing for the Irish government to draft a Green Paper on Irish unity - to develop plans and ideas for moving towards a united Ireland. But these have been firmly resisted and appear even further away` after the recent Irish General Election disaster for Gerry Adams' party. DUP Assembly member Simon Hamilton said: "There are some who would have us believe that a united Ireland is an inevitability." Mr Hamilton said such people had always been wrong and the Life and Times survey proved it. Senior Irish government sources have similarly told the News Letter they do not even see the subject of unity arising in the next 20 years. Their view is that devolution needs a bedding in time of at least that length and then "we see where we are and what the people want - that's the deal". Mr Hamilton said: "Sinn Fein have often spoken of their desire to see Ireland unified by 2016, yet - less than nine years from their target date - they sit in Stormont, exercising British power within part of the United Kingdom's political system and support the Police Service of Northern Ireland and British justice. A united Ireland is a pure pipe dream. "There is little surprise that confidence in the maintenance of the Union is so high. A BBC Attitude Survey also showed that since the DUP assumed the pole position within unionism the percentage of unionists believing that Northern Ireland would be in the United Kingdom by 2020 rose from below two-thirds to 82 per cent." Ulster Unionist MLA Tom Elliott welcomed the findings of the Life and Times survey which he said, "truly illustrate that there is no appetite from the electors north or south of the border for a united Ireland". He added: "Sinn Fein could not achieve a united Ireland through the armalite and 30 years of a murderous campaign and they are now isolated and no nearer to their goal than they were four decades ago." david09 (Kildare) - Posts: 115 - 08/10/2009 20:12:10 449028 Link 0 |
how could any irish man not want their country reunited.regardless of economics or the fact that you get the odd schmozzle up the north between the 2 communities the fact remains a forgein force occupys a large chunk of our country and a couple of 100 thousand of our citizens are being forced to live and work under a forgein and sometimes hostile regime .britain says its their land so we all have to tow the line and agree,well sorry bucko i dont accept that.its our country and it should be hand back along with an apolagy,highly unlikely i hear you say but thems the facts. finglas full ba (None) - Posts: 636 - 08/10/2009 21:12:06 449087 Link 0 |
"its basic economics son, no I don't understand it either but god do I love it." brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 08/10/2009 21:39:30 449124 Link 0 |
32_4_1, who exactly sold out in the south? Who got the big pay off? You are miles off the mark. The reality is the roi and ni are two different countries. The fact that they are connected by land doesnt change anything. Should spain and portugal also join up? The way you spin it leads us to believe that the entire population of ni are crying out to join up with the roi. If you look at the backing the likes of ian paisley have in the north it is clear to see that this isnt the case. You repeatedly talk about a united ireland and ur username underlines the point further, so i ask you, how many rallies have you attended in the last six months for this cause? How many petitions have you organised to aid this cause you believe in so strongly? How many politicians have you lobbied? Exactly what actions have you taken to further this deep belief of urs? Except rant from an ivy tower on an anonymous website of course... People often have a go at paddyogall for his views on these issues, but at least the man has some conviction in his beliefs. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 08/10/2009 22:02:52 449148 Link 0 |