Won easily? what game where you watching. I would suggest as I have previously that any team who loses their whole squad of defenders will struggle. City have their best defence on show and still give 3 away at home. United still ahead and it also appears that Chelski are struggling as well before their African Nations cup fiesta

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 20/12/2009 19:00:33    519195

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Won easily? what game where you watching. I would suggest as I have previously that any team who loses their whole squad of defenders will struggle. City have their best defence on show and still give 3 away at home.



What game were YOU watching? How did Richards do? Did Lescott play any better than recently? Did Bridges look good marauding down the wing?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 21/12/2009 22:00:16    520061

Take the Manchester Derby this year, United won it in the 96th minute. Imagine it had remained level? At the mid way point United would have 38 points, City 36.

Throw in all those draws and you now know why Hughes was sacked.

United are not the force they were, Chelsea without Essien will always struggle, Liverpool have imploded, so the City owners reckoned they could gate crash now instead of waiting two years.

And on paper, City possibly have a better squad, certainly up front, than United.

Fergie sacrificed Rooney and Tevez the last few years to indulge Ronaldo, and it worked. He has now restored Rooney and that is working but he is on his own. Tevez is badly missed, and indeed they could do with Saha at the moment.

If City sort out the defence, they will alas be a major force in England.

Fergie was actually right to be afraid. He knew how much United had slipped.

I apologise for doubting his judgement on City.

So will he go before he is "knocked off his perch?"

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 29/12/2009 00:08:11    521790

If ands pots and pans I think is the oul saying Patrique. United have been playing with half a squad for the past 6 weeks, whilst City have drawing, drawing and drawing. I don't think it was Hughes fault but there you go. Interesting to note City's fixtures since Hughes was sacked and for the next 6 games. No-one in the top 6 to play against. I think that Roberto might have seen this and says to himself. Mamma mia, we shoulda beat these a teams in our sleep and then I will look like I am a brilliant manager. Much like Utd against Hull, only for Wolves inability to convert any of the many chances they had at 1-0 the result may have been different. But as I say Patrique "if". Alas, as previously stated both teams had the opportunity to score in injury time in the derby game, although I'm sure City didn't fancy their chances bearing in mind that they only managed 3 shots in the previous 90 minutes. Bring it on

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 29/12/2009 12:54:20    521883

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If ands pots and pans I think is the oul saying Patrique. United have been playing with half a squad for the past 6 weeks, whilst City have drawing, drawing and drawing. I don't think it was Hughes fault but there you go. Interesting to note City's fixtures since Hughes was sacked and for the next 6 games. No-one in the top 6 to play against. I think that Roberto might have seen this and says to himself. Mamma mia, we shoulda beat these a teams in our sleep and then I will look like I am a brilliant manager.




How many points have Burnley got away from home?

who did they get it against?

Who managed that team?


Last night at 0-3 I thought City MIGHT get a point then I remembered Hughes had gone.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 29/12/2009 16:50:19    522026

Patrique i think it should be you who is afraid seeing City are going to be a feeder club for Real Madrid good move by the Sheikh in buying the feeder club first.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 30/12/2009 00:58:03    522231

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Patrique i think it should be you who is afraid seeing City are going to be a feeder club for Real Madrid



Is this because United, the feeder club (Becks, Van Nils, Ronaldo) have run out of players? Or none of them were much good?

How many feeder clubs do Real need?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/12/2009 14:59:07    522392

Re patrique, I hope you make a new year resolution not to come out with as much bull as you have this year with regards to United. Now i know you are upset at the thought of city being a feeder club but hey that's life once small fry always small fry. Your argument on United being a feeder club doesn't stack up lets look at Beckham made his debut in 92, but only became a regular in 95/96 and was transferred in 2003 in that time he won 6 premier league titles, FA Cup twice, and a UEFA Champions league title and was second twice in the Fifa World Player of the year awards, played from 2003-2007 for Real Madrid and only won 1 title with them cant see how that makes Utd look a feeder club to me it says Utd had his better days and sold him for a 25 million profit. Van Nistelrooy signed in 2001/2002 for 18 million won 1 Premier League, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup transferred in 2006 to Madrid for 24million a 6 million profit and is still there and has won 2 League titles and 1 Spanish Cup to me that makes it even. Now as far as Ronaldo is concerned he won 3 Premier League, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, 1 UEFA Champions League and 1 World Club Cup.Now its to early to say how he will get on at Real but all i will say is Utd have a 68million profit. I would say that's makes United a very shrewd club not a feeder club and don't come back with that old chestnut about the dept it is well serviceable and you know it. Happy New Year to you but i wonder will it.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 30/12/2009 20:07:21    522608

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I hate to ask this but what has winning to do with ability? You compare C.Ronaldo, Nielstrom and Beckham and mention winning.

Matt Le Tissier was a better player than the three of them by a mile and won nothing. Matthews won one FA cup. Finney won nowt.

John O'Shea has won lots and is the worst I have ever seen. (well, maybe Alan Smith) O'Shea WON a lot more than George Best, but is he a better player? Does he even play the same sport?

So please, if you want to discuss ability do so, but winning?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/12/2009 23:35:42    522718

why keep ronaldo when he wanted to leave and at a ridiculous 80mill i would have punted him to. thats not being a feeder club its called shrud business!

dj27legend (Down) - Posts: 641 - 30/12/2009 23:43:56    522726

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why keep ronaldo when he wanted to leave



Yes, but WHY did he want to leave?

To go to a BIG club.

Happens all the time with feeder clubs.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/12/2009 00:50:03    522757

Patrique first of all it was you who mentioned Beckham, Van Nistelrooy and Ronaldo i just let you know what they won while at United and the reasons why they were sold. You seem to get yourself confused when anybody says anything good about Utd or their players you will go to any lengths to rubbish them take John O Shea you run him down any chance you get saying he is the worst player you have ever seen, yes you are entitled to your opinion but there again what is that worth when you have one of the most successful managers of all time saying O Shea's name is one of the first down on his list. I know whose opinion i would listen to and i reckon he has forgotten more about football than you will ever learn. Yes Matt Le Tissier was a good footballer its just a pity he had not the desire to be a winner.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 31/12/2009 02:35:54    522785

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Now what makes you think A) fergie knows more than me B) Fergie is a better manager than me?

Now that is not that daft a question, simply because Fergie is famous does not make him a better manager. Robbie Williams is famous but not in my league as a musician if you follow my drift.

But as a manger, Fergie WILL praise O'Shea. I do not have those constraints.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 02/01/2010 17:07:11    522973

I think you have had to much of the hard stuff over the festive period when you come out with statements like that.
Read my post again and this time don't twist it. I never said he knew more than you I said I reckon he knows more about football.
Now as far as him being a better manager than you well show us your record and let us decide and remember that word i used opinion.
Now what has Robbie Williams got to do with football other than him being a Port Vale supporter and he is not a musician either he is just a singer and why you had to bring him into the equation the mind boggles and last but not least self praise is no praise.(Musician)

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 02/01/2010 19:01:24    523046

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I think you have had to much of the hard stuff over the festive period when you come out with statements like that.
Read my post again and this time don't twist it. I never said he knew more than you I said I reckon he knows more about football.
Now as far as him being a better manager than you well show us your record



Record?

Is this winninmg things again? Brian Clough the greatest ever manager in England only won two league titles.

Circumstances, resources, period, competitiveness and all that come into it. Unless Roy Coyle is the greatest ever?

And thanks for understanding about Robbie Williams.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 02/01/2010 21:01:30    523118

Re patrique,
At long last we agree on something Circumstances, Resources, Period, competitiveness I cant ask you to be any fairer than that.
By the way i never liked Robbie Williams always thought he was up his own a-s-.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 03/01/2010 00:04:38    523210

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I always thought Robbie Williams was a film star.

And now United crash to Leeds, is there no end to the slump.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/01/2010 01:29:39    523764

No money, a manager clearly losing it, players looking away, but all is not lost.

The form guide gives hope.

Over the last 6 games only arsenal, Birmingham and Man City have done better than United.

United play Birmingham now, Arsenal only drew today, and City are not a full threat, this year.

So hope springs eternal.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 09/01/2010 17:25:58    528914

But you are supposed to beat Birmingham?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 09/01/2010 18:27:33    528976

Going to be a strange top 4.

The "experts" and media told me that when City drew with Birmingham "you need tpo be winning those games to get into the top 4".

Since then Chelsea and United have drawn with them.

And......after Rooney, are "Own Goals" United's leading scorer?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 09/01/2010 19:39:37    529014