Breffni39
County: Cavan


Ah bless, Patrique managed to find it in his heart to blame the man of the match, who entirely coincidentally plays for Man Utd, for both goals.


Man United were NOT playing, although from the Keane affair I know that United come well above Ireland in the loyalty stakes.

The smallest man on the field, marked by O'Shea, headed the first goal.

For the second, 2-1 up with a minute to go, O'Shea decides to overlap and gives the ball away. A big long ball is played into the area of the field where O'Shea, of IRELAND, should be. Italy score.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 13/10/2009 20:00:38    453481

patrique i was talking to a former international player yesterday and he said the same as you and i agree with the both of yous ,

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 13/10/2009 20:30:20    453517

hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 1064



That Hipster is because we are not blinded by loyalty to the foreign Red hordes from Salford, or as the French called them "Les Diables Rouge de Salford". (That was the Rugby league team, United stole their nick name, as they have a habit of theft).

It means we can enjoy the game Hipster, rather than be in denial.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 13/10/2009 23:05:14    453728

Given was at fault for both goals.could'nt hold Cameronaesi's header(in fact he pushed it in so you could say it was an OG),the 2nd one he just stayed on his line when he would have been better served coming off his line(once in a bitter blue moon(pun intended) of course cos he never does).He really is havin a rotten 2009,left the sinkin ship that was Newcastle,his Swan-lake impression for Darren Fletcher's 1st goal was comical.
If Citeh are to compete(HaHa,yeah rite!)Im afraid they will need more Harte-Joe Harte.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 13/10/2009 23:40:08    453778

Re patrique, As the old saying goes "its not often your right but you are wrong this time" Chris Woods held the British record 86/87 season (1196 minutes) for your beloved Rangers now Van Der Sar holds the world record (1311 minutes) in one season for not conceding a goal. Being the fan of Van Der Sar that you say you are you will know that this is the second time he has been voted European goalkeeper of the year (1994/95 Ajax 2008/209 Man Utd) and Keegan won his while playing abroad (Hamburg 78/79) these people are voted by people in the know in the game and by bringing Dan Shanahan into the argument it goes to show you what you know about hurling sweet nothing. Now about Utd winning by the 1-0 scoreline is that their fault it shows the respect other teams such as City had for them. The other item you talked about Shiek Mansoor and John o Shea let me tell you one thing O Shea would play rings around him even on his prayer mat.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 14/10/2009 12:06:44    454014

patrique County: Antrim Posts: 4797 453728 hipster County: Dublin Posts: 1064 That Hipster is because we are not blinded by loyalty to the foreign Red hordes from Salford, or as the French called them "Les Diables Rouge de Salford". (That was the Rugby league team, United stole their nick name, as they have a habit of theft). It means we can enjoy the game Hipster, rather than be in denial. I strongly refute the suggestion in this post. You're twisting the reality in a very nasty fashion. I am not blinded by any loyalty to anyone. It is obvious to see that it is you in fact you are blinded by a deep grudge against Man Utd. Almost every thread on this non-gaa board has a reference to Man Utd by yourself. I was at the match and I proudly support all the Irish players no matter who the play for. It you who is criticising all round you. I have nothing but equal support for both JOhn O'Shea and Shay Given no matter what club they play for. THe same cannot be said for you, so please do not manipulate your deep rooted grudges into underhanded attacks on those of us who can enjoy soccer matches with an open-mind. If i had the same patheticly juvenile and dim-witted attitude as you do Patrique, I'd be vociferous in my dislike of Man City's Stephen Ireland. In reality, I'd take him back in an instant.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12372 - 14/10/2009 12:34:21    454044

14/10/2009 12:34:21
Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 1230

As i have said to numerous people on here Breffni. Is your glass half empty? Chill out a bit.

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 691 - 14/10/2009 13:13:52    454093

In fairness, breffni has a point, patrique's arguments often twist and turn away from being a genuine opinion into more of a feasicious outlook on a selected sequence of events. The title of this topic illustrates this exactly. Its more of an argument starter than an honest opinion. But i suspect patrique know this himself

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/10/2009 14:56:57    454263

kingpuck71
County: Derry
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454093 14/10/2009 12:34:21
Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 1230

As i have said to numerous people on here Breffni. Is your glass half empty? Chill out a bit.

You're probably right! I should chill out a bit. But its frustrating listening to posters who have nothing good to say about anybody, spout the same cliched rubbish and then have the temerity to accuse others of being blinded by loyalty to foreign teams, when the polar opposite is in fact true. Should stay out of it instead of dragging myself down to idiot level.

I'm definitely not a glass half empty type though, a cursory perusal of my posts re irish soccer and soccer in general would make that obvious to you.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12372 - 14/10/2009 15:13:40    454286

fredrickwood are you eamon dunphy in disguise....because your last post was just like something he would come out with...given had every right to leave newcastle after all the sevice he had give to them. he could have left newcastle on a number of occasions for a bigger club but he always stayed wit them.. i dont think anybody except you would begrudge him the move he made

cunday9lu (Louth) - Posts: 175 - 14/10/2009 15:47:47    454349

Patrique when Italy scored the first goal O'Shea was duly marking his man, the Italian Number 5. The goalscorer should have been marked by one of the two free Irish players free at the near post. Look at the replay.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 14/10/2009 17:02:27    454466

Breffni39
County: Cavan






I was at the match and I proudly support all the Irish players no matter who the play for. It you who is criticising all round you. I have nothing but equal support for both JOhn O'Shea and Shay Given no matter what club they play for.



I support NORTHERN Ireland, although my first love in International football since 1962 has been ITALY.

All the "alleged" experts blamed O'Shea, for the 2nd goal. The first goal, at first glance I blamed Given, but the replay shows it was a good, forceful, well placed header.

I have praised Van Der ar, Andy reid, and a number of others in this thread. The obne who is criticising everyone, alleging that the header for the first goal wouldn't have reached the net, is Fred from Roscommon. Mind you, he confused Buffon with Bruce Grobbelar, the LAST goalkeeper to command his area. The game is simply not played like that now.

At least he acknowledged that O'Shea was missing, as he says Given should have filled in at right back.


Finally, anyone who dreamt that Dan Shanahan was a worthy recipient of Hurler of the Year knows absolutely nothing about hurling. Dan was a "media" creation for the year, a bit like Lar Corbett this year. Good enough players, but never hurlers of the year.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 14/10/2009 17:39:45    454521

Forgot to mention that Gary Cook is now considered by most experts to be a better central defender than Rio.

BE AFRAID

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 14/10/2009 17:40:43    454524

man united fans = tunnel vision

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 14/10/2009 20:59:09    454709

I confess my knowledge of soccer is not good.

I am the one who foolishly said that Real Madrid's C. Ronaldo couldn't hack it at top/international level.

And in a mere 9 qualifying games against the might of Malta and Albania he has scored,....he has scored....., well, he NEARLY scored against someone.

Now C. Ronaldo plays for Real Madrid so you cannot accuse me of being anti-United.

There's only one David Healy, legend.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 14/10/2009 21:41:03    454746

there is only one ronaldo and he is brazalian and what a player

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 14/10/2009 21:48:03    454752

hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 1077

454752
there is only one ronaldo and he is brazalian and what a player


MOST people are aware of that Hipster, apart from those blinded by the red mist.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 15/10/2009 00:43:05    454973

Patrique, Question. You have not watched a full game of soccer in a long time. You do not have Sky so presumably you are watching highlights on terrestrial tv and/or reading newspaper articles, surely not enough information for a man to make fairly specified statements. How do you know that Van-Der Saar had little to do last year and indeed that teams were playing for 0-0 draws with them?

Also still waiting on your explanation as to how John O'Shea was responsible for the first goal.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 15/10/2009 01:48:54    454994

Patrique this thread has long ago descended into farce. I cannot logically discuss any of the points you are making as they are convoluted, obtuse and nonsensical in the extreme. I cannot operate my mind in a reasoned fashion when trying to reply to spurious references to Gary Cook, Bruce Grobelaar, Dan Shanahan, Sheik Mansour and all the rest.

However I want make one thing clear - I am not blinded by any red mist in my support of my national soccer team and I would appreciate that you would not suggest this if you have no way to refute any football related points I am making. I may be a Utd fan, but I discuss Man Utd much less than you do on here and I do not have a go at Man City in any way. I have nothing to be ashamed of in my contributions and enjoyment of soccer.

Thank You

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12372 - 15/10/2009 12:22:38    455231

I never mistook Buffon for Grobbelar-but I did mistake an Antrim man for a Bufoon once!

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 15/10/2009 17:40:32    455641