Kilteely only allowed Dennt Ahern, John Connery, Gerry Murphy and Patrick O Mahony to play with H/H. this was solely because they were the only players between 18 and 21 on the panal. K/D are in a minor A championship so the decided it would be too much for the minors to be playing their own cahmpionship, carry the U21's and play junior all in the one year. I do not agree with unneccessary joining of clubs (kilteelys u16 team for example) But letting the 4 lads play with hospital seems logical as they all played together in secondry school and H/H only needed a few players to strengthen an already preety good panal

2fromplay (Limerick) - Posts: 36 - 05/10/2009 19:33:23    445762

so at u21,kilteely/dromkeen are joined with hospital/herbertstown,at u18 kilteely are joined with Ballybricken and at u21 ballybricken are joined with bruff and a couple of fedamore lads...ye'll have to go on rte's, who the hell do ye think ye are!

eastgael (Limerick) - Posts: 629 - 07/10/2009 13:02:06    447464

K/D and Bally put toghether didnt have enough for a u21 team without the minors, unless your suggesting setting up an 8 a side tournament? At least the lads are playing more hurling, its a far from ideal setup I admit.

2fromplay (Limerick) - Posts: 36 - 07/10/2009 19:05:38    447919

the previous couple of comments here has explained things pretty well regarding kilteely joining ballybricken and 4 players going over the road to play with hospital, at the end of the day its all about improving players by playing the highest possible standard given the available players, the success of a very young kilteely junoir team this year proves this is working

TheFlat (Limerick) - Posts: 30 - 08/10/2009 02:48:09    448308

So use your minors to make up the numbers...like everyone else!

eastgael (Limerick) - Posts: 629 - 08/10/2009 08:12:47    448328

Last 21s game we played we had around 22 on the panel with 8 out of the startin 15 were minors and 6 out of the 7 subs were minors

angrybeaver (Limerick) - Posts: 139 - 12/10/2009 18:53:21    452162

Ok lads, lets clear this up. Was speaking to a man involved with the St Johns management & was informed that there are 4 kilteely dromkeen players playing with Hospital Herbertstown this year as mentioned earlier. H/H themselves only had a panel of 17 before the 4 lads joined & 8/9 of the 17 were minor this year. They were short on numbers & a couple of injury/suspension or players away would have meant giving walkovers to opposition. I understand why people are questioning why the clubs were allowed to join. H/H needed to increase their panel & there were 4 hurlers availible in K/D as they were not involved in any U21 hurling team. This arrangement is for this year only as it is likely that kilteely & ballbricken will be joined at this grade next year. From what i can gather K/D were joined with ballybricken for u21 f'ball earlier in the year but they would not have enough hurlers to make a panel as a lot of footballers play f'ball only in the parishes. I think it is a good idea as it means more players are playing in their own age group & it gives them a chance to develop which is the overall goal. If the 2 clubs did not join at this grade, you could easily have a situation where H/H may not be able to filed a team which would lead to them been eliminated & would mean you would now have 21 young hurlers in neighbouring parishes not involved in hurling at this stage of the year. St Johns beat Blackrock by 3 pts last monday in south semi & do seem to have a strong team. However, from what I am told of the 21 on their panel, only Donie Reale & Denny Ahern are overage next year (maybe 1/2 more max.) so while they may have a decent team, it is not exactly the biggest (numbers wise) or most experienced u21 squad in the county.

longD (Limerick) - Posts: 66 - 27/10/2009 12:39:34    467241

Heard last night Bruree lodged an appeal against athlacca having underagaed players? Any truth in this? Sounds a bit far fetched lik

SWP (Limerick) - Posts: 81 - 27/10/2009 12:47:16    467254

Kilteely/dromkeen and Ballybricken/bohermor arn't neighbouring parishes therefore are an illegel amalgamation

eastgael (Limerick) - Posts: 629 - 27/10/2009 12:57:25    467273

Apparently Dromin Athlacca had 2 u16 hurlers playing which is not allowed as underage players are only allowed play @ 2 grades (u16 & minor in this case). The issue is to be discussed at a county or south board (not sure which) meeting this week. Also heard that Athlacca have lodged a complaint stating that Bruree had an u16 member on their panel. not sure how true that is though. Athlacca beat bruree by 2 points in the semi 1:13 to 1:11 & apparently 1 of their u16's featured prominently in the game.

East Gael, I am not surprised that you have a negative comment to make about your neighbours. Technically speaking ballybricken & kilteely dromkeen are not neighbouring parishes but are divided by herbertstown which is part of the south which is the reason why they were allowed to join. If it was a case that Pallas & caherline seperated them rather than caherline & h'town, then they would not have been allowed join. Am I sensing a hint of jealousy on your part towards naomh brid underage success in comparison to your own club?

longD (Limerick) - Posts: 66 - 27/10/2009 13:32:01    467308

sounds like sour grapes so. if they were over age fair enough but some clubs have no choice but to get in young fellas, we all cant join with other clubs from other divisions...

SWP (Limerick) - Posts: 81 - 27/10/2009 15:57:17    467509

Apparently D/Athlacca had players eligble to play on the subs bench so it seems it was by choice that they played younger lads. From what i can gather Bruree are requesting a replay & not a walkover

longD (Limerick) - Posts: 66 - 27/10/2009 16:46:35    467582

It sounds like very bad form from Bruree. They were beatin by Athlacca on the field fair and square and now want to complain about Athlacca been too young! U couldn't make it up. Surely having stronger older players on the field was nothing but an advantage to Bruree. athlacca like most small clubs were probably struggling to pull a reasonable competitve team together. If I remember correctly, they were forced to play 12 a side at minor level.

southshamrock (Limerick) - Posts: 2 - 28/10/2009 11:56:29    468319

I must say that I have to agree with previous comments here. Definitely sounds like a case of Sour Grapes. For the record, the rule (teken from the official Guides 2009 on GAA website) reads as follows: Rule 6.18 Age Grades To be eligible for the Grades listed hereunder, a player shall meet the respective stated age criteria: Adult: Be over 16 years. Under-21: Be Under 21 years and over 16 years. minor (Under 18): Be Under 18 years and over 14 years. Under 16: Be Under 16 years and over 12 years. Under 14: Be Under 14 years and over 10 years. Under 12: Be Under 12 years and over 9 years. To be "Under" an age shall mean that the player shall celebrate the Upper Limit birthday (e.g. 21st. for Under 21 Grade) on the 1st. January of the Championship Year or on a later date. To be "over" an age shall mean that the player shall have celebrated the Lower Limit birthday (e.g. 16th. to participate in Senior/Under 21 Grades) prior to the 1st. January of the Championship Year. Girls may participate only up to and including the Under 12 Grade. Penalties: For Breach of Upper Age Limit: Team Penalty: (i) on a Proven objection - Award of Game to opposing team. on an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge - Forfeiture of Game without Award to the opposing team. Player: (ii) For breach in Under 16 or Younger Grades - 4 weeks suspension. For breach in minor or Under 21 Grades - 24 weeks suspension. Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the breach (iii) is committed - 48 weeks Suspension. Chairperson and Secretary of a Club: (iv) For breach in minor or Under 21 Grades - 48 weeks Suspension. For Breach of Lower Age Limit: Team Penalty: (i) on a Proven objection - Award of Game to opposing team. on an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge - Forfeiture of Game without Award to the opposing team. Player: (ii) For breach in any Grade - 2 weeks Suspension. Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the breach (iii) is committed - 8 weeks Suspension." Personally, I've no issues with the upper age limit rule, but the lower age rule is strongly biased against smaller clubs and should be reviewed.

RathkealeMan (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 28/10/2009 12:35:49    468357

longd,i can assure you the last thing i would ever feel towards amalgamations would be jealousy,especially football ones,playing in your own jersey would always be the priority,a level playing field for all is important though.When it comes to the crunch,people don't know or care too much about made up teams that come and go.Because KD neighbours herbertstown in south division, that entitles them to join BB...tenuous to put it mildly.With regard to Bruree's objection ......bad bad form.

eastgael (Limerick) - Posts: 629 - 28/10/2009 12:54:26    468394

What in GODS name are they running hurling Championship games in November, Why cant they run da hurling after the football in may.. There are players waiting months for games to be played, and then are playing in da mud and rain..

limk09 (Limerick) - Posts: 71 - 28/10/2009 13:51:39    468479

Fairest result in my opinion would be replay or let athlacca go through with a warning. Kilmallock done something similiar to Patrickswell a few years ago when they objected to a few young lads from playing if i remember correctly. Tommy o brien if im not mistaken so this sort of thing is common and to be fair this rule is nonsense, how old were fellas lik Christy Ring when they played senior for their clubs? Its also crucifying small parishes and an advantage to big clubs.

SWP (Limerick) - Posts: 81 - 28/10/2009 14:05:57    468496

Already looking like its going to be a county final with the leftover turkey and ham sandwiches to eat when you get home.

fedex (Limerick) - Posts: 18 - 28/10/2009 16:44:39    468722

How are 2 teams that are not in d same division allowed to join and how did they decide if they played in d south or east competition...

king.of.queens (Limerick) - Posts: 15 - 28/10/2009 22:53:31    469171

its a joke of a championship.. should have been played at the start of the year, or in the summer months when everything else was held up due to limericks involvement in the championship, instead we have a backlog of fixtures and a county final that wont get played until christmas..... this doesnt happen in any other county.

utilityplayer (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 28/10/2009 23:19:47    469212