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The Best Footballer never to win an All Ireland

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From Kildare

Pat Mangan
Jack Donnelly
Tommy Carew
Ollie Crinnigan
Martin Lynch
Niall Buckley
Davy Dalton
Glenn Ryan
Anthony Rainbow
Dermot Earley
Johnny Doyle
Willie McCreery

From Other counties

Declan Browne
Dermot Earley (Snr)
Matty Forde
Frank McGuigan
Benny Coulter
Graham Canty
Plunkett Donaghy
Paddy Bradley
Kevin O Brien
Fergus Daly
Finbarr Cullen
Vinny Claffey
Tommy Freeman

Willie Nelson (None) - Posts: 972 - 11/09/2009 11:08:06    422893

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patrique that is exactly my point my friend, i was asked to give MY opinion as i did and not that of an expert (nor do i claim to be one) as the post asked. it is only my opinion of course but thats what was asked of me, my point to u and miss derry is that why attack Tyrone posters for giving their honest opinion? i respect all gaels from other counties who's opinions i'm sure will differ from mine but all i ask is a little fair play and a level playing ground so that right minded folk can enjoy this site without personal attack based on where you were born anytime u answer to a post, is it too much to ask in this day and age??? personally i think there are enough WUMS on here compadre without you joining them and yes Kevin Armstrong was a superb player but in MY opinion its still Frank "The King" McGuigan for me. opinions will differ i respect that... sure there'd be no fun if we all thought the same.

Rahilly_Man (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 11/09/2009 19:16:36    423582

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Yes Ollie would agree with those 3 but would add in Ciaran Wheelan on to that list now as well. He's up there with em

Beacaire Gorm (Dublin) - Posts: 597 - 11/09/2009 19:39:07    423603

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Patrique, I pretty much agree with every thing you have just said on here. I think there are plenty of times to back your own county on here. Particularly when they have an upcoming match or when others are wrongly, or even rightly criticising them. But you often also get an opportunity to praise other county teams and players. This is one of those occassions. It is also an opportunity to challenge your own fooball intelligence and think outsde of your own county and about the fantasic sport as a whole. Maybe even demonstrate a bit of knowledge about teams from outside your own province. Also, possibly even show that you have some incling as to what is happening outside your own county and possibly show that you have read a bit of history, listened to a few people and watched a few replays.

Sadly though many do not go to this effort and will therefore always come up with a lazy and ergo generally wrong answer. They will call this answer an opinion and defend it but really all they have done is written down the first player from their own county that has popped into their fingers.

Therefore I am going to join them in forgetting about the likes of current footballers like John Galvin, Ciaran McDonald, Graham Canty, Declan Browne, Mattie Ford, Stephen Cluxton, Anthony Lynch, Paddy Bradley, Michael Meehan and older players even in my lifetime like Willie Joe Padden, Colin Corkery, Eamon McEnaney, Eugene McKenna, Val Daly, Damien O'Hagan, Nudie Hughes, Paul Early, Mickey Kearns & Tony McManus not to mention Kevin Kehily who had to manage the bomber year in year out but still shone and of course teh fantastic Joe Kernan who eventually got what he deserved in managing a team to an ALl Ireland.

So no............instead I'm going to brainlessly go for Tadgh Kennelly. Its my opinion so dont knock me now. Its only my opinion. Brainlessly arrived at and lazy and wrong as it is, every one is entitled to an opinion. Whats wrong with having an opinion? That's what I say.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 11/09/2009 21:14:42    423665

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FRANK MCGUIGAN

porkchops (Galway) - Posts: 151 - 11/09/2009 21:37:36    423684

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Declane Browne from tipp... Has to be one of them.. Ciaran whelan also...

PredNo1 (Mayo) - Posts: 71 - 11/09/2009 22:11:42    423713

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no one has mentioned Jim Reilly who played for Cavan for 17 years in the 70s 80s 90s. he was recognised by all and sundry within the game as one of the finest footballers of his generation. he was always picked on Ulsters Railway cup teams and was named by Brian McEniff on his Railway Cup team of the Millenium. hopefully his nephnew Barry will follow in his footsteps

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 12/09/2009 22:59:49    424254

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Dessie Barry of longford comes to mind

Cul Baire (Longford) - Posts: 76 - 12/09/2009 23:21:29    424284

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Big Dermot

beer baron (Cavan) - Posts: 3916 - 12/09/2009 23:28:51    424289

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declan browne, great servant to tipp football

premierman21 (Tipperary) - Posts: 429 - 13/09/2009 00:35:43    424312

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dermot earley sr...what a player..if it wasnt for the great kerry teams of the 80's he wud have 2 or 3 in his back pocket

98KESAM (Kildare) - Posts: 56 - 13/09/2009 00:49:30    424316

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patrique County: Antrim Posts: 4333 422424 10/09/2009 19:49:33 Rahilly_Man County: Tyrone Posts: 286 422321 maybe patrique or niamh could name me someone better and then maybe i'l change my mind. Going by so called experts Kevin Armstrong has strong claims as best footballer and best hurler. So Frank is not a nailed on cert. I mention Armstrong as he has no challengers as Ulsters best ever GAA exponent, a legend in both codes. On a national level you could try Packy McGarty,(Leitrim)Gerry O'malley,(Roscommon) Willie Joe Padden, Ciaran McDonald, both Mayo, Iggy Jones (Tyrone) Jim McKeever, Sean O'Connell (Derry) Andy McCailin (Antrim) Hudie beag gallagher (Donegal) Al Murray (Armagh) Declan Browne, Mattie Forde, Cyril Hughes (Carlow) Benny Gaughan (Louth) Just a sample. Or could I suggest that between 1884 and 1959 there were a host of players from counties in Ulster, outside Cavan, who were deserving of all Ireland medals? To be honest, you could easily name 200 players today who are better in a given position than someone who has won maybe two or three all Ireland medals. So as I say, I could give maybe 2,000 alternatives to Frank, great player that he was, without scratching the surface. Perhaps I was merely suggesting that there is life outside Tyrone. Cork have won 6 all Ireland titles at football. Can you imagine how many great Cork players DIDN'T win Celtic crosses, especially between 1978 and 86 when they probably were the 2nd best team in Ireland? So I appreciate and welcome your choice of Frank, an all time great, but there have been many others. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quite Pathetic Patrique really. It was a honest question and just a simple matter of opinion. The original poster sought out the opinion of others too at the start of the post. But of course again its people like you dragging Hs in the mire by starting an argument at the start of the thread. So patrique what is the hang up on Tyrone for? I see alot of Kildare men have named the Early's, Kerrymen named Kennelly, Mayo named McHale and Tipp went for Browne. So why not round on these counties? Why so petty? Why so cheap? Why so low? Why Tyrone? I can only assume its Jealousy.

trileacman (Tyrone) - Posts: 759 - 13/09/2009 02:14:38    424327

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Gabriel irwin, E.Lavin ,D.Flannagan, P.forde, j.Browne, M.Collins, TJ.Killgallon, J.Finn,S.Maher, L.Mchale, N.Durkin, WJ.Padden, M. Fitzmaurice, K.Mcstay, J.Burke, G. Maher, A. finnerety,b.kilkelly,.....J. Madden,k. cahill.k. mortimer, p.holmes, n. conneley,d.brady, j. horan,c,macmanom,m. sherridan, r. dempsey,j.casey,pj.loftus, t. reilly,.......p. burke,f. costello,d.nestor, C.MACDONALD,d. heaney,k.o neill,......d. geraghty, g. ruane,p. gardiner, j. nallen,p. kelly, r. magarrity,j.gill. a. dillon, c. mortomer,b. maloney, m. conroy,a. moran,p. navin,.....D. clarke,k. higgins, a. higgins,p. harte, bj.padden, g. brady, t. mort,b.moran, a. kilcoyne,...and 100, 000 mayo men, women and children that have been put through the agony that no other county ever has.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 13/09/2009 06:06:55    424349

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Stefan White and Danny Nugent

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 13/09/2009 09:01:42    424361

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orange and blue
County: Tyrone
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never thought that patrique would name kevin armstrong or andy mccallin!! there is life outside antrim you know.



But no education it would seem.

I mentioned 15 platers, and suggested you could name 2,000 without scratching the surface.

As for being jealous of Tyrone? Are Kerry jealous of say Antrim football, because that is the equivalent. Why would Antrim people be jealous of county with about a quarter of their success?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 13/09/2009 20:52:37    424661

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Yis are all picking fairly recent lads...glen ryan dermot early and Ciaran whelan and mcdonald in recent years surely....but going back a bit..dermot early senior and mickey jkearns of sligo must be up there.
In hurling Pat Dunney of Kildare, although he might qualify on both lists

sandar (Kildare) - Posts: 32 - 05/10/2009 19:23:37    445753

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kevin o brien

Concept82 (Wicklow) - Posts: 440 - 05/10/2009 19:37:52    445769

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big niall sheridan

longfordmaestro (Longford) - Posts: 68 - 05/10/2009 19:45:18    445773

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mcguigan would have alot of the same as whelan- idolised in their own county and not even considered elsewhere, i asked a lad a college before what all the fuss was about- he said he dominated an ulster final and not alot else- can anyone confirm thats not from tyrone!!

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 05/10/2009 19:51:12    445779

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Sean O'Connell.. just type the name into wikipedia and read about this LEGEND!!

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 691 - 05/10/2009 20:57:34    445841

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