1 Down 2 Cavan 3 Tyrone 4 Armagh 5 Donegal 6 Derry 7 Monaghan 8 Antrim 9 Fermanagh

Down follower (Down) - Posts: 193 - 31/08/2009 10:05:36    409693

This Tyrone Team with 3 titles in 6 years in this modern era of football that is at a completely different level than anything that has gone before.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 31/08/2009 11:01:08    409775

You would have to go for the Cavan 1947-52 team who won three titles and surprisingly lost the 49 final when going for 3 in a row.

You also have Down in the early 60s and early 90s, the Tyrone and Armagh teams of recent vintage, Cavan in the 1930s and Antrim 1907-13, 7 Ulster titles and two all Ireland defeats.

Antrim 1946-51 also deserve mention as they beat the great Cavan side twice, a feat no one else managed. A bit like Tyrone with Kerry this decade.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/08/2009 14:28:53    410104

Linfield

TeamoftheDecade (Tyrone) - Posts: 12 - 31/08/2009 15:25:07    410206

Get over yourselves. What is that based on?

Niamh (Derry) - Posts: 2397 - 31/08/2009 15:35:56    410227

Explain your methodology on that one, can't see the reasoning. Have you just scribbled it down on the back of a fag packet?

caughtredhanded (Tyrone) - Posts: 602 - 31/08/2009 15:49:58    410254

Cavan yes also down and tyrone. Not antrim no where near .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 31/08/2009 15:52:02    410257

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Cavan yes also down and tyrone. Not antrim no where near .


Dell. What would you know about Antrim teams?

When Tyrone win 7 Ulsters in a row come back with an answer.

At present Tyrone are rated because of three wins against Kerry. Antrim beat Cavan twice when the cavan side was a lot better than the current Kerry one.

So I suppose all posts are opinions and subject to interpretation.

However mine are based on knowledge.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/08/2009 16:40:45    410356

patrique

Patrique yours is based on dreams antrim have not won a all ireland at senior level in football how can you rate them the one of the best ulster teams deluded. But then again this is the type of comments you come out with.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 31/08/2009 16:53:55    410388

Patrique, I know that you are getting on a bit, but I would suggets that you did not see the great Cavan or Antrim teams that you have mentioned. It would be interesting to note who took part in the Ulster championship in the years Antrim won as I would suggest that not all the counties played. It would add up to the same thing as you suggesting that as Antrim have won every Ulster Hurling Championship since 1988 bar two that they are a great team. Although only going by folklore I would suggest the 1960's Down team are the best for the very simple reason that they bucked the trend. They won All Irelands when Ulster teams didn't "do" All Irelands. Bearing in mind that until the 1990's Ulster teams won virtually nothing after that Down team they, to me are the greatest Ulster team

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 31/08/2009 18:00:35    410542

Down team of the 60's were special. also the 90's. Micky Linden was a flying machine, you will never see the like of him again.

tullyframerover (Down) - Posts: 276 - 31/08/2009 18:41:30    410605

t has winning all Ireland's got to do with it? That's what comes from possessing a "premiership" mind.

Donegal won an all Ireland in 1992, Armagh in 2002 and Derry in 93.

Experts will tell you that none of them were as good as Antrim in the 1946-51 period. Antrim were the only team to beat the leading team, Cavan, twice, a bit like Tyrone in the current decade with Kerry.

However, there was no back door in the 40s..................

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/08/2009 19:50:17    410695

Cavan 1997

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 31/08/2009 19:53:32    410701

While acknowledging the great Down and Cavan teams I stand by my earlier post.This Tyrone team would beat any of the 2 and to suggest Antrim is even in contention to be considered a great footbal team is a joke.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 31/08/2009 20:23:31    410737

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Patrique, I know that you are getting on a bit, but I would suggets that you did not see the great Cavan or Antrim teams that you have mentioned. It would be interesting to note who took part in the Ulster championship in the years Antrim won as I would suggest that not all the counties played. It would add up to the same thing as you suggesting that as Antrim have won every Ulster Hurling Championship since 1988 bar two that they are a great team.


This is interesting, if slightly incorrect. Derry won two Ulster hurling titles and Down three in that period, a slight bit more competitive than the football title of recent memory.

Antrim contesting two all Ireland finals at football despite having no opposition in Ulster, and two hurling finals under similar conditions is surely all the more commendable. a bit like Canada say winning the world cup at Soccer? I mean it is hard to improve in isolation. Seems to me that Antrim cannot win here. Win a ten team hurling championship it is derided, win 7 in a row when MOST teams were playing and you are derided. Hardly Antrim's fault that Tyrone and Fermanagh couldn't get a team together.

However all it proves, given your sentence that "Ulster didn't do all Ireland's, is that Antrim totally dominated/dominate Ulster GAA at county and club level, taking in the three "accepted" sports of hurling, football and camogie. I know Camogie is a separate organisation. Look at the record books.

As for not having seen Cavan 1947-52, well put it this way. I never saw Christy Ring but I KNOW he was a better hurler than Sambo McNaughton.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/08/2009 20:34:08    410750

You can only be the best of your era Seanie Boy so thats a lame argument. Garrincha probably wouldn't get a game at Hull these days.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 31/08/2009 20:37:50    410753

I think what is lacking here is any sort of methodology. Obviously Down and Cavan are going to come ahead in All-Irelands, Cavan ahead of Down becuase of the number of Ulster titles they have compared to Down. On the othr hand placing Derry which has an an All-Ireland and maybe 5 NFLs behind Donegal/Armagh is strange. I find it so boring where people make rankings without any sort of logic behind them. Patriques Antrim would need to be given some measure given that they have competed in the All-Ireland final and have loads of Ulster titles, but I think their ranking of 8th in Ulster is correct given that they have not won a national senior title. If however you look at all-ireland titles accross the board as shown by the hoganstand county profiles - Tyrone easily comes on top. I don't mind what method people use providing they indicate the method other wise the posting is at best "I would like the rankings to be.." and I'm afraid this thread is of that nature. The original poster has probably run away at this stage.

John Boss (Tyrone) - Posts: 865 - 31/08/2009 21:15:39    410796

It has to be Tyrone

drumlinbelt (Monaghan) - Posts: 179 - 31/08/2009 21:16:21    410797

a posibly interesting thread turned into a turd by Patrique zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tyrone - for the 2000s
Down - for 60's and 90's
Cavan - for the 40's
Antrim - for god sake!

naomhbrid (Antrim) - Posts: 29 - 31/08/2009 21:22:46    410799

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While acknowledging the great Down and Cavan teams I stand by my earlier post.This Tyrone team would beat any of the 2 and to suggest Antrim is even in contention to be considered a great footbal team is a joke.


Could you name the Cavan team of 1947/48 or anyone who played on it?

And although some are sceptical, the Antrim team of 1946 contained one Kevin Armstong, Ulster's undisputed GAA star of all time. No-one else even comes close.

Naoimh Brid suggests that Antrim can be discounted but like the club is probably new to Gaelic Games. Raymond Smith can't be that wrong.

And the thread says "Ulster's greatest teams" so I suspected he meant individual teams.

If he means FOOTBALL over 125 years well that is a different matter. Even Tyrone have caught up and passed Antrim nowadays. Indeed Antrim would be about number 6, only just ahead of Donegal, Derry and Fermanagh.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/08/2009 21:56:44    410845