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I would not have Queeney ahead of David Bray, but I would have Queeney ahead of Byrne, who while a tough and honest tryer seems to lack both the skill and the speed. I agree about Paddy O'Rourke made two great reaction saves but his kick-outs were terrible. Meath1986 (Dublin) - Posts: 247 - 01/09/2009 10:15:02 411238 Link 0 |
On a strategical point, as has been said already about Sunday, Meath need to be more intelligent in their use of the long-ball into the forwards. Hit and hope will work against poor teams (or defensively weak teams like Mayo) but it is not going to work against a well-organised defence. I honestly do not think that Kerry defence is all that great but we made it look so on Sunday. The aim with any pass, especially when delivering ball into the forwards, has got to be to have more than a 50-50 chance of winning the ball. That requires that the inside forwards create targets for the outfield players to aim at by making runs early enough for them spot in time. It is then up to the outfield players to deliver good ball inside into areas where a specific forward, who having made a run, has better chance of winning the ball than not. We need the midfield and the half-back line to execute this strategy rather than just hopefully and aimlessly hitting ball forward. If it is not working then midfield and half-back line need to willing to carry the ball, support each other, look to draw defenders and thereby create more space inside that can then be targeted with accurate shorter range foot-passing. That requires fitness, an element of physical courage, and a willingness from everybody in the middle third to track back if possession is lost or overturned unexpectedly. I think Meath have done well this year and have shown that there is plenty of good football and good footballers in the county but there is still alot to do in order to get back into serious contention for winning another All-Ireland. Meath1986 (Dublin) - Posts: 247 - 01/09/2009 10:15:37 411239 Link 0 |
Maradonna, can't agree at all with your post, and before I start I've nothing against Moyles, he definitely gives all he has when picked for Meath, but to win an All Ireland is that good enough? To say "But this man has been our best warrior over the past 10 years" is too strong, you may recall players like John Mc Dermott, Enda McManus, Trevor Giles, Ollie Murphy, and Graham Geraghty to name but a few. In order to be successful sentiment has to be put aside, Moyles will be unfortunate in that his best years occured during some of the worst for Meath, but unfortunately thats the way it goes and I don't think there's a place for him on this team, Kevin Reilly or McGill have to be better options if we're looking to the future. To say there's a job for him around the middle isn't good enough either. doing what, and sacrificing who? As I said, sentiment will only get you so far... Rattler (Meath) - Posts: 18 - 01/09/2009 11:08:05 411305 Link 0 |
dont understand how people are puttin joe in on the edge of the square sure what has he evr done for us while he was there. he is on fast enough to move into the spaces that open up in croke park. it was seen on sunday that on few occassions was he able to win his own possession had to be given to him. in saying this it has been his best year in a meath jearsey and if he can improve on it nxt year would be great b ecause he has all the attributes to make an outstandin. maybe if he had lost all this weight a few years ago could hav been better for him. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 01/09/2009 12:28:09 411463 Link 0 |
Next year is a long way away and injuries and form mean that somebody holding down a jersey may not be in such a privileged position come the Leinster championship in May 2010. Roger (Meath) - Posts: 480 - 01/09/2009 13:03:08 411526 Link 0 |
Lads,I`m compelled to put a few facts forward on Anthony Moyles.He stood into the breach for Meath following Kevin Reillys injury.It was plain to a blindman that it wasnt ideal but he done his best.He was vulnerable under high balls all year particularly in the proximity of a tall full forward and what was behind him wouldnt being filling him with confidence either.All in all he done a good job under the circumstances,much more effective in the half forward line so lads take a pull on criticising the lad,its grossly unfair. The Brickie (None) - Posts: 208 - 01/09/2009 13:41:06 411591 Link 0 |
did anyone else hear that song a group of meath fans were singing about anthony moyles after the game? BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 01/09/2009 14:40:59 411660 Link 0 |
lads whats all the talk of murphy comin back? do you know somethin the rest of us don't...? for a start, i would have no space for farrell on the team. we have many alternatives many of which are much better than him. i sat here for a while trying to justify saying that king should get a place but overall i suppose you're right. kenny deserves the place more and there's no question mcguiness does too. i'd try o connor at 7 cause he scored so much from corner back he'd be even more dangerous operatin on the forty. as for burke, definitely room for him. anywhere. i'd like to try him at mid actually, the transition from a back to a forward is so easy. a trial in the league would be a good idea. otherwise he's a solid back so he'd slip in for o connor if he's out wing back. in saying that it'd be difficult to start him mid ahead of the two lads now. though it seems possible this was nigels swansong an he won't be up for it next year...? peadar is good and i'd like to find a place for him, though i dont know think i could with o rourke and queeney deserving of places. i dont like s. bray at half forward. maybe swap the brays as mentioned above. joe is irreplaceable on the team and i'd sooner have him CHF than FF. cian ward, though not the best player on the team, would be a hard one to take off. who else could get the scores he does? as for paddy in goals he seems a good keeper. however murphy'd get on ahead of him if he does come back, and he's also got competition from gallagher (if fit) and murray (is well worth his place on the team, i'd have him ahead of gallagher). so then my team would be something like: 1. P. O' Rourke (unless murphy does return) 2. M. Burke (based on this year i'd have to have him on. if successful at midfield, moyles would play here) 3. Reilly (no question) 4. Harrington (no question) 5. Kenny (though the place could easily go to king) 6. McGuiness (go on, try argue....) 7. O Connor (would be dangerous here i think) 8. Crawford (will have to be on top of his game to keep this place ahead of ward and maybe burke) 9. Meade (same situation as Crawford) 10. J. Queeney (this could be his best position, well deserving of a starting place.) 11. J. Sheridan (a class act.) 12. D. Bray (i think he'd be better here than his brother 13. S. Bray (dangerous in the corner) 14. S. O' Rourke (if not queeney or joe could fill this position either) 15. C. Ward (worth this place for frees alone.) luckily there are a few players with a good shout for a spot so players will be on form if they want their place. with moyles able to fill any role players will be very aware. forwards will also know farrel and byrne are readily available, with ward on the sidelines keeping the midfielders on their toes. also, a spell on the bench would cause players to realise they must improve, as it did with joe and byrne this year. meath11 (Meath) - Posts: 85 - 01/09/2009 19:55:49 412229 Link 0 |
Some day in the not-too-distant future the GAA will see sense and we'll be basing these 'predict the team' threads around 13-a-side rosters, but until the powers that be in HQ wake up I suppose I'll have to pick 15. Googan (Meath) - Posts: 105 - 01/09/2009 21:00:42 412298 Link 0 |
Agree with your selection Googan certainly a team with potential, Moyles at half forward would be deserved to be tried, i agree the man has taken unjust stick this year when he stood up to the challenge of being full back, tommy walsh is almost as unmarkable as donaghy especially given the height differential. Think Mickey Burke will be worth a try during league, love the guys work rate and all action approach. Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 01/09/2009 21:43:23 412386 Link 0 |
Continued... Googan (Meath) - Posts: 105 - 01/09/2009 21:53:31 412403 Link 0 |
googan, meath11 (Meath) - Posts: 85 - 02/09/2009 18:19:10 413472 Link 0 |
I suppose the main advantage in having Queenie and Joe on the 45m line is you can go direct very early, they're both great at winning high ball and then you're just one good pass away from the square. Problem is I wouldn't trust either of them to supply that pass consistently. Think of that horizontal pass Sheridan gifted to Kerry, so risky. However, I think O'Brien will go with O'Rourke at FF and Joe will hang about aboved midfield occasionally popping up in the large rectangle. I would prefer if it was the other way around but management musn't be happy with the full forward line otherwise they wouldn't have tried out King there. More experimenting in the league me thinks. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Burke and Kenny but McAnarney has to start because he has the best foot-passing technique in the panel outside of Stephen Bray. So if we're going to persist with letting the ball in early from behind midfield we need someone who can do it accurately. I think McAnarney could set up quick counter-attacks from wing-back and could push up when we're in posession as an outlet for good diagonal ball into the full forward line. As for Peadar at wing-back the only concern I'd have is his tendency to give away fouls, you know when the red mist descends. I'd definitely groom him for the position during the league. He has the workrate, the athleticism, instinct for breaking ball, everything that should make for a good wing-back. When you play direct ball almost constantly like we do the opposition's half-backs tend to drop deeper when they see an attack building up, that leaves huge spaces for pacy wing-backs to run into. Think back to the start of the second half against Kerry when King bombed forward only to hoof the ball into row Z, I think Peadar Byrne would be very effective running the ball in this situation. Well, it should be either him or Kenny. I'd actually play Moyles as a sweeper behind midfield, I think having him, Crawford, Meade/Ward and O'Rourke operating around the middle third would add real steel to this Meath side. so it would probably look like this: --------------------------------1. Brendan Murphy ------------2. Eoin Harrington------3. Kevin Reilly ------------------------------------------------------4. Caoimhin King 5.Shane McAnarney----6.Cormac McGuinness -----------------------------------------------------------------------7.Peadar Byrne ---------------------10.Anthony Moyles ---------------------------------------9.Mark Ward -----------------------8.Nigel Crawford -------------------------------------------------11.Shane O'Rourke ------12.Cian Ward ------------------------------------------------------------15.Stephen Bray ----------------------13.David Bray---14.Joe Sheridan Maybe let David Bray oust Farrell for a few league matches, challenge Farrell to up his game. To be honest with you though I think the poor form, (by his standards) was a result of him being forced to be the main ball-winner in the front three. Have Joe or Queenie as your target man and Brian might benefit from feeding off the full forward? Googan (Meath) - Posts: 105 - 03/09/2009 18:02:27 414651 Link 0 |
Meath11. I really cannot agree with the omission of David Bray, and I think that Moyles and Sheridan would be destroyed by any serious wing-half back combination due to complete lack of pace. I do not agree about Farrell either, I think that he has lessons to learn as he currently too selfish a player and not accurate enough but if he can learn to seek out players in a better position to shoot than himself I think he has the game to be a very dangerous forward but he has as yet to show a suitable level of maturity. Meath1986 (Dublin) - Posts: 247 - 03/09/2009 18:21:02 414690 Link 0 |
1 Paddy O'Rourke 2 Eoghan Harrington 3 Kevin Reilly 4 Cormac McGill 5 Mickey Burke 6 Cormac Mcguinnesss 7 Seamus Kenny/Chris O'Connor 8 Nigel Crawford 9 Brian Meade 10 Alan Nestor 11 Cian Ward 12 Peadar Byrne 13 Stephen Bray 14 Joe Sheridan 15 Jamie Queeney That is just an idea of a team we could use. Most of the players there have made a good account for themselves this year. Kevin Reilly was injured a lot but i still think hes our best option at full back. Nestor and McGill were 2 of our better performers in '08 so hopefully they get a good run in the league. There are many others i would like to see get a run in de spring like Eoin Reilly, Graham Reilly, Michael Newman, Stephen Sheppard, Brian Sheridan and then the obvious contenders to be in with a chance of starting like anthony moyles (who i feel may be a better option as an impact sub), David Bray,Shane MacAnarney, David Gallagher, Shane o'Rourke,Mark Ward and Brian Farrell and Caoimhin King who are 2 players who i think have so much to offer but i just dont think they were up to scratch this year. I think that we do have a great group of players to choose from for next year and i'd be confident of geting a leinster title at least so long as the management does not make ludicrous decisions with tactics and and selections like de dublin game last year. happydude (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 03/09/2009 19:33:25 414751 Link 0 |
1) Paddy Royal_son (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 04/09/2009 22:20:07 416085 Link 0 |
Some of the above teams have shown many changes in personnel to the team that reached the All Ireland Semi Final this year. In all honesty getting to the semi was possibly something of a slight overachievement, welcome as it was. The following is a team that injury and suspension allowing I believe could well be the Meath team for 2010, although at this very early stage it is nigh on impossible to predict aaccurately. GK: Paddy O'Rourke; He is a young man who at the start of the year could not have imagined that he would be Meaths no.1 for the year. He has had a few dodgy moments, most notable of what I seen would be against Mayo, I believe some of the older, more experienced heads could have calmed him down last Sunday. Were Gallcgher to have an injury free year next year he could challenge though he has a young family and it remains to be seen if he is available for next year. RCB: Cormac McGill/Chris O'Connor; McGill has done enough in the past to suggest he could be one of the best man markers on the panel while O'Connor has proved to be one of the best attacking corner backs around this year. If McGill can stay clear of injury in the new year he may just edge out O'Connor, who could be able to also provide cover in the half back line. FB: Kevin Reilly; He started out the year as the no.1 full back in the county and his presence was missed against Kerry, yes I know he came on as a sub but he had a severe lack of football preceeding the game and didn't look 100% fit. LCB: Eoghan Harrington; He has had a very steady few years and fully deserves to keep his place. Were his form to slip McGill or O'Connor could slot in. RHB: Seamus Kenny; He has been one of the most consistent players for his county over the last number of years. His ability to win dirty breaking ball is best utilised fron wing back. Meath will need to keep experience in the team and Kenny would be the most experienced member of this particular defence. CHB: Cormac McGuinness; He was impressive for Navan O'Mahonies in the county championship and stepped up to this level well. A very good ball playing footballer and while not quite the replacement for Enda McManus we have been looking for for many a year if he can manage to improve on his tight marking then McGuinness could hold down the no.6 jersey for a while. LHB: Mickey Burke; Burke like Kenny on the other wing has shown that he can be rather effective at winning breaking ball and driving forward. Following on from his performances against Mayo and Kerry I feel he deserves an opportunity to nail down a place. He is also a tight marker. MF: Nigel Crawford and Brian Meade; It has been shown previously that Crawford and Mark Ward are not the most effective partnership available to us inspite of possibly being the two best ball winners, granted Ward does punch more than he catches. This season since being paired together since the Waterford game Meade and Crawford have been very effective. Meade, while not being the best ball player is an excellent foil for Crawford who had one of his best years to date in a Meath jersey. Some people doubt whether or not he may be around next year but hopefully he will as he will add some much needed experience. RHF: Anthony Moyles; Should Moyles decide to give one more year to the cause I believe this could be his most effective position. He is not naturally the tightest man marker and possibly not the most effective player under the high ball. From wing forward Moyles would be able to act as a third midfielder and when the need arises to act as a sweeper in front of the full back. He is also well able to deliver quality ball into the full forward line. jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 05/09/2009 17:47:35 416457 Link 0 |
continued CHF: Joe Sheridan; He has had to date his most effective season in a Meath jersey. Perhaps not being in the team early in the year drove him on? Either way he has proved more effective this year as a centre forward predominatly, but with a licence to interchange with the no.14 position. I would leave him on the forty for next year as he is perhaps at his most effective when running powerfully at opponents, is generally a good deliverer of the ball and is capable of winning the odd kick out. LHF: Steven Bray; Bray will hoefully have a kinder year next year with luck. He is the outstanding playmaker in the county, a talent that deserves prominence in tha half forward line. He is also well capable of kicking his point from 35/40 yards. If needs be he could on occasion be switched into the full forward line. RCF: David Bray; In his first year on the county scene Bray has done very well. If he can kick on next year he could have a very good season indeed. Well able to win ball high and low he also offers the ability as a left footed free taker, not a bad quality to have ina team at all. FF: Shane O'Rourke; Since 2007 he has suffered terribly with injuries. That year however he proved that he was a most effective full forward and were he to manage to steer clear of injury next year he would nail downa place in the Meath team. Hopefully he will and he would also offer flexibility in the full forward line and could be switched out with Sheridan or Bray in the half forward line. LCF: Cian Ward; I would like to see him use his undoubted ability to take a few more scores from play. However, he is the best free taker available at the moment and thus is worth his place if only for his frees. Like Stephen Bray he is also a decent playmaker and on occasion could switch out to the forty and Joe move in towards the square. jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 05/09/2009 17:48:20 416458 Link 0 |
We need a replacement for goalkeeper. And your answer is Ricky Nolan from Duleek. He is best goalkeeper in county at the minute by a mile. meathman123 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 06/09/2009 20:40:55 417316 Link 0 |
Ill second that. Terrific for Duleek against the Pats last night. qprmeath (None) - Posts: 434 - 06/09/2009 21:03:42 417345 Link 0 |