Whats with all the patronising nonsense about Celtic? What game were ye watching?

It was a poor game, Arsenal were poor, Celtic were very slightly poorer. Arsenal got two huge breaks for the goals. Celtic could just as easily got the same breaks and won 2-0 and ye would all be saying they fluked it. Instead Arsenal got the lucky goals and the cliches about having another gear, taking it easy, get trotted out. Thats the first time in years an ENglish team has beaten Celtic at Parkhead, do they never go up the gears in Parkhead?

Arsenal's best player was Donati for gods sake! He was expertly breaking up Celtic attacks and sending Arsenal on counters and they still created practically nothing.

Referee was the opposite of a homer. Seemed to be enthralled by Fabregas and let him ref the game. He went crying to ref after every single tackle, good or bad, and should have got booked himself.

Game should have finished 0-0.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12483 - 19/08/2009 12:35:56    396910

Arsenal were by far the better team and should have won by more. Celtic had two shots at goal in the entire game.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 19/08/2009 13:11:11    396973

I see you have the old green tinted glasses on Breff !! Even i could see the difference in the teams. Who was playing in the Arsenal goals ? I did'nt see him during the game !! Poor stuff though and not a patch on our games. Those supporters get very excited over nothing !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 19/08/2009 13:23:34    396983

bad.monkey
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396973 Arsenal were by far the better team and should have won by more. Celtic had two shots at goal in the entire game.
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396983 I see you have the old green tinted glasses on Breff !! Even i could see the difference in the teams. Who was playing in the Arsenal goals ? I did'nt see him during the game !! Poor stuff though and not a patch on our games. Those supporters get very excited over nothing !!

I know Celtic had hardly any chances but where are ye imagining all the Arsenal chances? They didn't have any? Boruc had nothing to do either except pick the ball out of the net twice from deflected efforts he could do nothing about. Arsenal didn't have a single clear cut chance so why give them credit for it?

I dont have green tinted glasses I just call it as I see. I have no inherent grudge against Celtic like a lot of people so I'll give them credit where credit is due. I didn't exactly shower them with praise you'll notice, just tried to dampen the arsenal excuse-makers. Its easy for them to look good when they are 2-0 up and your pre-conception is that Arsenal are class and Celtic are brutal.

Slasher we've been through this before but for a man who hates the garrison game, you seem to watch an awful lot of it and post in every soccer thread?!?!?!? :) Take the blue-tinted glasses off!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12483 - 19/08/2009 14:38:34    397092

In all this hype surrounding Glasgow's second team you may all have missed the fantastic result Partick Thistle got last night in the Alba cup. A 6-1 away win at Forfar. Most of the new signings on the scoresheet as was ex Celt Simon Donnelly who has adapted well to the step up in class.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 19/08/2009 15:14:17    397143

Gulf in class was there 2 been seen last night. Celtic and Rangers would stuggle in the championship never mind the p league.. They dont just have it and that league is as bad the eircom league.. Serious gap people..

Lofty (Monaghan) - Posts: 727 - 19/08/2009 15:17:22    397150

Everton finished 6th last year in England and were beaten 6-1 by Arsenal last Saturday. Yet under your logic Lofty Celtic, who were beaten 2-0, would struggle to survive in the Premier League and the Championship? Doesn't really make much sense

tonorio (Offaly) - Posts: 609 - 19/08/2009 15:38:26    397195

Lofty, would you try and think logically about this post. As I have stated earlier, Celtic were soundly beaten by a superior team, no doubt. The same will be said of about 15-16 of the Premierships finest this year. To take last nights result out of context and suggest that it can be applied to the Premier League or Championship is nonsense. I accept that Celtic are probably as weak as they have been in years as are Rangers. The question you have to ask is why? The overwhelming fact of the matter is MONEY. First of all a couple of years ago, Celtic got £2 milion in T.V money after winning the Scottish League. Southampton were relegated from the Premiership and got £22million. Bear in mind that Celtic's average attendance was 56,000 whilst Southampton's was 24,000. Even if you consider the top attendances in the Premiership, I believe that only Man Utd and Arsenal have bigger capacities therefore Celtic have the third biggest average attendance in Britain with Rangers probably 5th or 6th. The anomaly with T.V. money is the difference between the leagues at the moment. Celtic/Rangers are unable to pay wages much above Championship rate. Their tranfer fees cannot be more than 3-4 million. If you consider even that both sides if they played in the Premiership finished in 16th and 17th positions respectively, they would add at least £30million to their income in the first year alone. This would allow the purse strings to be loosened and therefore the ability to buy better players would arise. The fact that they are in the premiership would also encourage prospective signings as the infrastructure of both clubs is comparable to anything that is in England bar maybe the top 2-3 clubs. So, logic would dictate that with ever increasing earnings and the carrot of the Premiership to offer to prospective signings, allied to the infrastructure and large fan base of both clubs that within a short number of years they would be in a position to challenge for at least European places in the English Premiership. In any case, Celtic's results against the premiership big boys has been comparable to any of the bottom half of the Premiership in Europe over the past number of years, last nights defeat being the first to an English club in how long? This is a logical argument not based on any pro/anti Celtic/Rangers bias as is trotted out routinely on this forum

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 19/08/2009 16:00:55    397227

Can everyone stop talkin jibberish about who belongs in what division/country/league etc etc and just discuss the match.
Now Arsenal's goal's were both hugely fortunate,however they were so dominant in possesion and in complete control of the game that it's fair to say any luck they may have got they deserved.I agree with Ulsterman about Gary Caldwell,words fail me really,but the problem for Celtic was whenever they got within sight of the Arsenal box,they would'nt take them on,they would turn on their heel and continuously pass the ball back the way.It must have been very frustrating for the Supporters.Surely it's better to have tried and failed than not tried at all??
McGeady did run at them a bit(mostly into cul-de-sacs) but Celtic I felt were very negative for a home leg,and the crowd seemed unusually subdued for Celtic park-I don't know where Celtic fans are claiming a penalty-it was a well-timed challenge by vermaelen but Celtic should have had a corner out of it,as for givin out about the ref on other issues,well,you really are clutching at straws,sign of a beaten team that.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 19/08/2009 16:43:02    397294

Most of the new signings on the scoresheet as was ex Celt Simon Donnelly who has adapted well to the step up in class.

nice...

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 19/08/2009 16:56:36    397314

Fredrickwood, I was merely replying to a comment made previously. I would assume that most articles have been answered within the first 10 posts therefore it is natural for the discussion to move off in a tangent. If you dont like it tough, you answer the thread as you like but please don't try and dictate what the rest of us can talk about.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 19/08/2009 17:06:51    397332

Start a new Thread omagh.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 19/08/2009 17:15:38    397348

Why bother, discussions progress naturally and if I or anyone else started a new thread every time a discussion wavered of the main talking point the site would crash

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 19/08/2009 17:34:42    397371

arsenal are a different class

premierman21 (Tipperary) - Posts: 429 - 19/08/2009 18:29:00    397442

Arsenal's second goal was a great move. Great skill by diaby and a great cross into the box. Bendtner was just about to put it in before caldwell did. Arsenal were far superior in every position and the only team that looked like scoring. Celtic deserve some credit for keeping the score down to 2-0, however they just dont have the players to compete with a team like Arsenal

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4663 - 19/08/2009 18:29:02    397443

Now Breff, I never said i hated anything !! I dislike it and i cannot see why some posters would prefer it to our games. I watch some games of soccer so that i can participate in the debates at work and on here and i am entitled to my opinion !! What would "blue tinted glasses" denote ? My observations on this match are that the best team by far won and that it is nowhere as good as our games !! Hate is a very strong work and i never use it !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 19/08/2009 18:30:38    397444

I was at the game. Arsenal were the better team and deserved to win. I always knew we would need to get the breaks to beat them. On this occasion they got them. Both their goals had a strong element of luck particularly the first one. Up to the first goal we were well in it and competing strongly but after that with an away goal in the bag they relaxed a bit and got stronger. There was no shame in this defeat, Arsenal are a world class side and there will be a lot of teams find that out as this competition progresses. Some guy mentioned that the atmosphere was subdued, don't know how it came across on telly but believe me the place was absolutely jumping, the atmosphere was magic. Arsenal internationals interviewed after the game admitted that they had never before experienced anything like the Celtic Park atmosphere. Final point re this never ending dispute as to how Celtic/Rangers would compete in EPL. They would do fine, they have the stadia and the fan base all they need is the money. Plain and simply its all about money, if our Russian billionaire had decided to buy Bolton or Wigan in preference to Chelsea, they would now be a top 4 team and Chelsea would be back as an also ran. Anyhow the Old Firm will not join the EPL, There will be a new European Super League within the next few years, I predict 2 Divisions with Celtic/Rangers initially joining the second Division and Celtic gaining promotion to the first Division within 2/3 years. Ye heard it here first.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 19/08/2009 21:23:10    397602

I dont follow soccer at all, Too stuck up in the football. My friend is a celtic mad fan so thats the only reason I know that song. I dont see the enjoyment in soccer," Its like watching cement dry" But if I had to pick a team it would be celtic

Orlaith (Derry) - Posts: 4282 - 19/08/2009 21:42:47    397622

Corkcelt

Wenger also believes there will be a super league within a few years - Although I'm afraid he did profer an opinion on Celtics promotion prospects.

With the money that Man City/Real and Barca are firing in at present despite a global recession presume they also feel its heading that way at some stage.

Burnley v Real at the Bernabeau ???

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 20/08/2009 00:15:02    397781

Seems to me that every time that a thread is started on Celtic, the english soccer lovers are on ridiculing both Celtic and the SPL. Personally i dont really bother with english football but i dont go onto every thread to criticize it, bizarre really.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1073 - 20/08/2009 08:52:28    397861