Actually the McEnaney interview was on Sportsbar on RTE not Newstalk, apologies!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 14/08/2009 12:39:48    391970

No offence RichieQ but I'm pulling you up over this line..

" joxer as regards him being sinned aginst first that certainly wasnt the case in 2005 when he put Nigel Crawford "

Have you ever watched that incident on tv? I've watched it lots of times on video and it proves exactly my point. Crawford slapped Whelan in the face as Whelan was fielding the ball. When Whelan lands he slaps Crawford in the same manner and Crawford hits the deck. Both players should have been sent off for a striking offence - an identical offence. Again it serves to illustrate my point that Whelan's "antics" are usually in response to somebody elses "antics". I'm not trying to justify him swinging his arm at O'Mahony either but the fact is that O'Mahony was rugby-tackling Whelan at the time. Again this is not your off-the-ball nonsense that should be classified as dirty, this is ball in possession stuff.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 14/08/2009 14:49:29    392194

what has he won because i see no sam up there and the only time dublin can see sam if they go to citywest with the tyrone fans

grogs (Tyrone) - Posts: 269 - 14/08/2009 15:06:49    392241

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388693 he hasnt hung up his boots yet bert09, so get back in your box, ye only beat a rubbish mayo team. end of story.........

Two semis in 3 years its better than alot of other counties.

theblindassasin (Meath) - Posts: 915 - 14/08/2009 17:01:37    392502

Joxer are you having a laugh?? Slapped Crawford with an open hand did he?? Is that why Crawford had to go off to stop blood streaming from his nose? It sounds like your the one who needs to watch the incident on TV.
No doubt he was a fantastic player when he put his mind to the game but to non dubs he will probably be best remembered for the incidents with Crawford, McGarrity, Kenny and now O' Mahony.
I will be disappointed if Sherlock and Ryan hang up their boots as I have a lot of time for them. I think Ryan was very underrated when playing alongside Whelan.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1387 - 17/08/2009 21:51:14    394932

YEAH great player and just to those who go on about something that happend 4 years ago type in dublin v meath 2005 on youtube and after about a minute it shows what happend both players should have been sent off then..come on just leave him alone great player only an ameature player great commitment and what does he get for it all a cup of te thrown at him.Well meath have had alot dirtier players than ciaran whelan in the past and present.. Great player and still has it too remember that pure class point he got against kildare this year. Yet for some strange reason he doesnt play

DrDub (Dublin) - Posts: 8 - 17/08/2009 23:29:35    395108

Yes Ratoath Royal he did. When was the last time you saw this incident??? Are you saying that Crawford did nothing? Don't try and defend the indefensible please. This is not to mention the antics of Graham Geraghty, should have been shown the line on two occassions, Anthony Moyles and Niall Kelly should also have gone for a stamp on Whelan and a punch thrown at Casey respectively. Anyway, that's getting away from the point that both Crawford and Whelan were guilty of fouls in that incident.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 19/08/2009 21:11:30    397584

Joxer I'm watching it right now. I really don't know what you're watching. Where did I say Crawford did nothing? Crawford deserved a yellow as he was dragging out of Whelan as the ball was thrown up (he didnt "slap him") but there is no doubt Whelan deserved a red. I'll ask again, if Whelan hit Crawford with an open hand, how did Crawford come out of it with a bloody nose? As for Whelans antics usually in response to someone else's antics, do you think that excuses it? O'Mahoney may have tackled Whelan poorly but the majority of players will just take their free instead of dangerously swinging an elbow. And what exactly did Ronan McGarrity do to deserve being almost knocked out by Whelan a few years ago? Again, he's a fantastic player, he tore us to shreds at times in the replay a few years ago, but I for one will remember him more for his "antics".

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1387 - 20/08/2009 00:20:42    397786

joxer when was the last time you watched it, ive just watched it again on youtube and at no stage does crawford slap whelan, yes his hands are on his face but at i repeat at no stage is a slap or punch thrown by crawford, and you say whelan reacted with a slap, whelan reacted with a closed fist and he releases the fist as he turns around to face the ref, if that constitutes a slap in the face to you, well could you tell me what a punch would look like

The.Rock (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 20/08/2009 10:49:49    397947

Lol, Meath men going on about throwing punches, absolutely classic, i's like Ronaldo like complaining about players diving.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 20/08/2009 11:54:20    398018

Brilliant player, one of the best midfielders of his generation. Dont mind the cry babies on here from other counties.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 20/08/2009 15:37:38    398308

Just watched it again on TV and yes Crawford, rather than a slap, actually swings Whelan by the neck with two hands while Whelan is in the air, pulling him backwards towards the ground, a very dangerous tackle and worthy of a red card. Serious injury could have resulted from this dangeroud tackle. This incident was noticably absent from Meathmen's recollection of events until I mentioned it. Again it reinforces my point that Whelan reacted to a foul committed on him. Whelan lands and slaps Crawford in the face. Whelan gets yellow, Crawford gets nothing. We will forget about the antics of the other Meath players during the match as this is unrelated. But again just to make the point, Whelan reacted to a dangerous foul on him. This is the point that I was making in the first place.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 20/08/2009 21:14:14    398642

Joxer to say you are biased is the understatement of the decade, but I admire your neck. To even try to turn that around to say Crawford should have got a red card is laughable and just to humour you and your "retaliation" tirade may I ask since when did retaliation become legal in the GAA rulebook.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 20/08/2009 23:18:29    398769

Richieq - I'm obviously missing something. Since when did I say "legal". I said that Whelan "was agressive and in times when he was sent off it was usually a retaliatory strike having been sinned against first" Now this may be difficult for you but do you agree that Whelan was fouled in the Crawford incident before he retaliated??? If you do then I have made my point. Sorry but take off the anti-Dub glasses for a minute and say what you see!!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 22/08/2009 02:48:47    399689

i think he's typical of dublin over the past years, can be very good(excellent even) when dubs are having it easy, but very rarely seen when they are having it tough. very good fielder and point kicker on the burst, but really only seen when dubs are goin well. I cant think of many games when he dug dublin out of trouble against quality opposition. and there is no doubt what so ever about his mean streak, which has been clearly evident in big matches against opposition who do not fear dublin. perhaps his frustration at being consistantly outplayed in these kind of matches lead to his often outbursts on opponents. ronan mc garrity will no doubt testify to that.

evangelist (Longford) - Posts: 245 - 22/08/2009 16:30:46    399945

Joxer believe me I am not anti-dub in any way, I even married one and enjoy manys a pint around the Raheny area, ironically, with my relations and friends. My point is that even if Ciaran Whelan has retaliated to being sinned against first, that retaliation is illegal. We are going to have to agree to disagree regarding the Crawford incident, I have watched and watched and watched and can not see any fault in what Nigel Crawford does at the throw in and he certainly done nothing to warrant a swinging punch to the face.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 22/08/2009 20:46:12    400128

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400128 Joxer believe me I am not anti-dub in any way, I even married one and enjoy manys a pint around the Raheny area, ironically, with my relations and friends. My point is that even if Ciaran Whelan has retaliated to being sinned against first, that retaliation is illegal. We are going to have to agree to disagree regarding the Crawford incident, I have watched and watched and watched and can not see any fault in what Nigel Crawford does at the throw in and he certainly done nothing to warrant a swinging punch to the face.

It's a contact sport lad, get over it.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 23/08/2009 01:53:21    400318

Yes PJ it is a contact sport, i dont beleve punches are legal in that context do you?, study your rulebook and I am well over the incident but I am using it to clarify my point.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 24/08/2009 10:31:02    401696

You're right Richieq, if you believe that Crawford's "tackle" was legal then there is nothing that I can say that will convince you otherwise. I fairness I don't think that he would have received a smack from Whelan for a fair tackle. Like I say it's not Whelan's style. Anyway we'll agree to disagee and good luck against Kerry,

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 24/08/2009 21:11:20    402761

Thanks joxer, like most meath/dublin people we might disagree on some issues but can always end on a sporting note, i salute your honesty

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 24/08/2009 22:36:48    402909