Gillers needs a break, then find new players and have a plan A ,B and C for absolutely eveything. Here is my team for next year taking into account the fact that Whelan and Jayo will retire!!

Cluxton
Griffin
Henry
O'Carroll
Hubbard
Brennan
Cahill
Magee
Ryan
Flynn
A.Brogan
Connolly
Rock
B.Brogan
Vaughan

extra (Dublin) - Posts: 43 - 05/08/2009 17:59:39    379621

dub team 2010 1 cluxton 2 ocarrol 3 bastic 4 griffin 5 brennan 6 ryan 7 cahill 8 fennell 9 mcconnell 10 flynn 11 keany 12 brogan 13 a brogan 14 davoren 15 vaughan impact = magee henry connoly quinn andrews we should be nurturing the likes of andrews ocarroll osullivan and dean rock to progress instead of constantly going back to this lad some dub players need to seriously cop on gilroy should be at every club game from now until next summer he needs to put his own stamp on the team and get out all the players who have letr dublin down in the past he should pick a captain who would put his head on the line for the cause and has leadership something lacking in the team someone like alan brogan who is far superior to his talked up brother build the team around the young lads like davoren fennell ocarroll i also think ross ocarroll should be asked to play again gfor the footballers hed be the answer to our full back problems i hink ryaner should give it another year or so id have him at full back because hed man the position well and give the team a good drivew going forward and we wouldnt have anyone running through that channell hopefully 2010 can be a succesful year after this demorilizing one

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 05/08/2009 20:06:17    379820

extra ... don't you think our problems are so fundamental that a new look panel is required ... too many of the players on your squad are not AI contenders, they showed that on Monday.

Its harsh but true, I have posted my ideas on this in the other threads.

Beacaire Gorm (Dublin) - Posts: 597 - 05/08/2009 21:58:33    380078

Stekhli, thanks for your opinion but I feel Henry is best available option in full-back....Magee and Fennell are too similar of players we need two opposites to be successful....O'Sullivan is not county standard in big games and I feel Keaney has overstayed his time with the footballers join the hurlers please. My team has plenty of new players and players who didn't let themselves down against Kerry, namely Alan Hubbard, Mark Vaughan, Dean Rock, Rory O'Carroll, Shane Ryan, Ger Brennan. Look at all the teams left in the running to win Sam everyone of them have wing-backs capable of scoring, Cahill is..who else?? Hubbard looks the best option as he played corner-forward for Ballymun and can get up and down the pitch easily..

Regards,
Extra

extra (Dublin) - Posts: 43 - 05/08/2009 23:49:45    380322

Hope Keaney joins the hurlers for 2010. Brilliant midfielder a few years ago

mondred (Wexford) - Posts: 872 - 07/08/2009 13:45:38    382564

Look at yas, All talk about 2010.

Look at 2009 first, absolute useless.

Got annihalated in you´re own back yard.

Stop picking new teams and sort out the one you´ve got with a bitta training and discipline

Seasoned_pro (UK) - Posts: 27 - 07/08/2009 22:13:42    383372

extra your listing the same group of players for next year that got cleaned out by KERRY
They will win nothing Dublin need at least 8 new players its sad when a Kerryman has to
give you the facts Dublin havent reached an AI in 15 years wake up and smell the coffee
pray that ODwyer takes the job then you will see real progress

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 07/08/2009 22:41:44    383408

i know early naming teams but gilroy needs put his stamp on team and get rid of the dead wood,certain have been shown up in the last couple years,the obsession with playing midfielders full back has to stop,we need tight marking corner backs who priority to mark tight rather than running up field trying to score,we need half forwards who are willing to hard work when we dont have possesion

as a experimental team for league i go with

Stephen Cluxton
Darren Daly
Rory O'Carroll
Paul Griffin
Kevin Nolan
Cian O'Sullivan
Barry Cahill
Shane Ryan
Eamon Fennell
Paul Flynn
Alan Brogan
Paddy Andrews
Tomas Quinn
Mark Davoren
Bernard Brogan

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 07/08/2009 23:50:37    383525

A pointless exercise and just reshuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. It would be a more useful exercise if we identified those not up to the standard. On the evidence of the past two to three years you would have to say that of the starting 15 against Kerry the following players' ability to play at this level has to be re-examined.... Henry, Bastick, Andrews, Cullen (? completely hit and miss), Griffin, Magee, McConnell, Connolly, Flynn, Keaney. Jayo is excused because of his long service and likely retirement anyway.

In other words IMO...

Backs - we have one back who is up to scratch (Cahill) and one who could be if he was consistent (Cullen).

Midfield - gone. Fennell looked promising last year but could not play this year due to club politics. Shane may still have more in the tank but needs to lose some pounds.

Forwards - two Brogans with Vaughan and Davroen to come back means that we are two short.

Overall we need 4 to 5 backs, 1 midfielder and 2 forwards. Any county would take three to four years to become competitive again after such a shake-up. We have to prepare for some time in the doldrums I think and that includes Leinster.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 08/08/2009 11:45:58    383721

Lets back up the comments echoed on this site and take the pain which in fairness everyone seems to be realistic about on this site. We need to rebuild, FACT. Time to get out of the spotlight and start building a side that can compete strongly and regularly win when/if we make the All-Ireland qualifiers which under the present structure could be regular. I would seriously think strongly about letting most of this team wear the Blue jersey again as after last sunday I dont believe they deserve it. They have had second chances too many times before and have blown it.
We need a manager who will put a never say die attitude into this team and a team who are mentally strong not weak like this bunch. I would keep Cluxton, Henry, Cahill & Griffen, Magee desrves a second chance, The 2 Brogans, Keaney & Davoren. Maybe Vaughan if he learns discipline. Mossey would be another keeper, The rest you need to look at very strongly and challenge them to see who wants it bad enough. I fwe start building now we maybe able to build a side who challenge for major honours in the next2-3 years.Time to stop being the whipping boys.Also restructure underage along the lines of the Hurling and lets produce real footballers who are proud to be Dubs, not Copper Face Jack wannabees.

Amo (Dublin) - Posts: 21 - 08/08/2009 14:09:42    383841

dublin 2010 1 cluxton 2 ocarroll 3 ocarroll 4 griffin 5 brogan 6 ryan 7 cahill 8 fennell 9 mcconnell 10 connoly 11 brogan 12 flynn 13 vaughan 14 davoren 15 brogan= andrews hubbard bastic henry magee keany quionn burke cullen brennan etc

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 09/08/2009 03:59:31    384473

I think its time we took every game serious including league and o byrne cup.. pat gilroy couldnt care about the league but you look at killkenny and kerry they often win the league and go onto win the championship. Winning can become a habit and losing can become a habit. Because it would help them later on in the year coming out of tight games against others who take the league seriously. Dublin team 2010 1.cluxton 2 henry 3. bastik 4. alan hubbard 5. 6 griffin 7 cahill 8 fennell 9 ryan 10 flynn 11 Cullen 12 13 alan brogan 14 bernard brogan 15 couldnt decide on some. But would never put mark vaughan in there

DrDub (Dublin) - Posts: 8 - 10/08/2009 13:01:35    385918

Stephen Cluxton
Darren Daly
Rory O'Carroll
Paul Griffin
Kevin Nolan
Cian O'Sullivan
Barry Cahill
Shane Ryan
Eamon Fennell
Paul Flynn
Alan Brogan
Paddy Andrews
Tomas Quinn
Mark Davoren
Bernard Brogan

Thats a nice team now.would have connolly instead of Flynn defo as flynn does not score!.Eamonn fennell lacks abit of pace.Would like to see more 21s coming on as subs like Hugh gill, Johnny Cooper,and id put money on Gary Sweeney and gerry Seavers making the step up from the minors aswel bu thats a good young team.

AidoDubs (Dublin) - Posts: 30 - 10/08/2009 22:08:31    386900

Most of the talk on this thread is non-sense. For starters, darren daly is not a corner back he's a wing back.. david henry has never played full back in his life, he needs the wing i.e. corner back, wing back, wing forward.. That is where he is at his best.

To throw my own tuppence worth in. Here's a fact, this panel have won one game in the all ireland series in the past 6 years - which means they are not good enough to make an all ireland semi final never mind a final. they did make the semi final once, v. Mayo - and we all know what happened there.
I would be all for ditching a large % of the current panel, and bring in all new players - preferrably young lads under 21. You can't teach an old dog new tricks and we are not going to get any more out of the current crop.
Ok, so bring in a total new group of players and we play Tyrone or Kerry next year and they beat us by 9 or 10 points... Well they are already beating us by 14 and 17 points this year and last, so it can't really get any worse than that. At least with a new young group of players, you can shape and mould them into the players you want them to be. So i reckon a top drill sergeant would be required to do that... Kieran McGeeney would fit that bill, i would love to see him take over. And he knows Dublin football ever so well already.
That is the only way forward IMO
Possible Dublin team to start the o'byrne cup - Cluxton, Hubbard, an other, O'Carroll, Daly, O'Sullivan, Cahill, Fennell, Ryan, Rock, A. Brogan, G. Smith, B. Brogan, Davoren, an other.

Wyn-Sam-Soon (Dublin) - Posts: 286 - 11/08/2009 09:51:19    387305

same old dublin every year

dmore91 (Tyrone) - Posts: 125 - 17/08/2009 01:32:38    394083

cluxton,griffen,bastic,brennan,cahill,cullen,henry,ryan,flynn,keaney,vaughen,andrews,A brogan, whealo,B brogan


whealo full forward gives us a plan B nd C


B- high ball he catchs it

C- bring him out into midfield as a 3rd midfielder

DubLad (Dublin) - Posts: 11 - 21/08/2009 14:29:52    399163

joxer.!!!!!!!!!!


ryan duznt need 2 loose any pounds still a bullet runs past people lik there not even there nd if it cums down to strenght 9 times outa 10 he will cum out wit the ball

DubLad (Dublin) - Posts: 11 - 21/08/2009 14:33:42    399167

dublad, you've put in mostly the same backs that got cleaned out this year(and last). You've got to learn your lessons. at least four of these need to be put out to pasture.

how anyone could suggest bastick for next year's team is beyond me, he was a liability all year long and fully exposed by kerry. not good enough.

evangelist (Longford) - Posts: 245 - 21/08/2009 22:16:51    399586

Dublad, Ryan is a little over weight. I watched him in the flesh in the league and I couldn't believe the extra pounds that he had put on since the championship last year. Midfielders need to be mobile and mobile for 70 mins. If Gilroy thought that Shane was mobile enough he would have been in the starting 15. Same with Whelo except for different reasons, Whelo is getting on a bit now. The problem is that Magee is not mobile enough and Ross simply isn't good enough, at the moment anyway. The selectors didn't see this yet every died in the wool fan knew it. Midfield is the toughest place on the pitch and is only suitable for the likes of a young Ciaran Whelan and players of that ability. Whelan is a legend and is a unique player. You only dig up the likes of a Mullins, Whelan and Stynes every 15 years yet this is what you need to win championship games against the best. We don't have any young Ciaran Whelans but we have to unearth a couple over the next year.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 22/08/2009 11:42:00    399767

my dub team 2010 1 cluxton 2 henry 3 bastic 4 ocarroll 5 brogan 6 griffin 7 cahill 8 fennell 9 ryan 10 flynn 11 brogan 12 rock 13 andrews/vaughan 14 davoren- if fit 15 brogan

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 22/08/2009 22:36:44    400226