Think this thread dropped into 1950 for a moment there. Toma is exactly right - live and let live, equal rights for everyone. As for people opposing same sex couples adopting children, I'd point them to the large numbers of absolute imbiciles (candidates for sterilisation) with no intention of raising their kids properly, drinking their children's allowance, etc. - much more suitable parents??

Good thread RLF you learn a lot about people on threads like this.

PS C'mon Paddy give us a kiss x

bluboy (Dublin) - Posts: 318 - 27/06/2009 16:18:19    324784

Well said Dr Shepard. What peole get upto in their own home is uo to themselfs. Now messing up childrens lifes is a totaly different argurment. A Child should have a father and mother if possible. My god image the bullying a child would go through ifits parents were both male. I look at myself as a modern person who is open minded but for god sake thinkabout the children

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 27/06/2009 16:40:52    324792

My understanding is not that this bill allows same sex marriages. I dont think that it goes that far. As far as same sex marriages go i dont see what the big deal is one way or the other. My simple understanding of marriage was the desire to legitimise the line of inheritance. For many centuries the illegitimate child was not entitled to inheritance. That is as far as i know been pretty much discarded in all western countries. Defacto relationships have as far as i know pretty much equal rights to legally married couples. Therefore I dont see what the big dispute is all about. What gain is it for the same sex couples to be married legally and what threat is it to the heterosexual couples if they do. It seems to me that the argument is based on old fears and discriminations from both sides if I may say so. However when it comes to religious marriages I believe the Churches should have the right to make rulings as tradition and dogma dictate. It should be allowed to evolve in whatever direction it chooses at it own speed. There is no compulsion on any person to be in any congregation so that person should not feel the need for the congregation to change to accomodate them. When visitors enter my house they accept the status quo in my house as i do on my visits to other houses. So in summary i would suggest let every person do their own thing but by the same token let those people who wish to do their own thing not attempt to force their thing upon those who wish to remain as they are.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 27/06/2009 21:55:45    324929

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324667 Let them get married if they want, as long as they are never allowed t5o adopt children.

What exactly would the problem there be?


Just about to ask that myself, Real Louth.

And like you, I fear the answer.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 28/06/2009 02:21:12    325130

if two lads want to get married then let them..what harm are they doing anyone else?

bountyhunter (Cavan) - Posts: 302 - 28/06/2009 02:43:50    325134

Although in fairness we shouldn't attack those who oppose same sex marriages. The thread was started to debate the issue and I am glad to see that we can actually debate it maturely. Well done to all.

I am in favour of same sex marriages as I see it as a basic human and civil right and as natural as same sex relationships. So why should there be any barriers to it? Same sex relationships are as natural as relationships between members of the opposite sex.

These are my reasosn for supporting it. What are the 'moral and practical' arguements against it and the arguements against the double standard of allowing same sex marriages but but not allowing these relationships to adopt children?

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 28/06/2009 10:32:31    325163

RLF, while i agree that same sex couples should be allowed marry i often have doubts about them being allowed to adopt children. You can imagine the embarrassment for a child at a parent teacher meeting or a school play when other children have a mother and father attending and he has two "daddies" there. Maybe i am wrong to think this way but i am thinking of the slagging a child would get on an occasion like this as it would happen.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/06/2009 12:10:50    325228

i agree it wouldnt be fair on the child...how would any of you like two daddies at your school football final or presentation?

bountyhunter (Cavan) - Posts: 302 - 28/06/2009 13:37:37    325301

Our Lord made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 28/06/2009 17:10:38    325419

very wrong im afraid and the bible tells us so but sure we only understand and do what suits us innit

mucker (Donegal) - Posts: 479 - 28/06/2009 18:28:18    325494

Mulligan Eamonn
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325419
Our Lord made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.



Did he?

What about evolution?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 28/06/2009 19:26:44    325545

28/06/2009 12:10:50
Cavan_Slasher
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325228 RLF, while i agree that same sex couples should be allowed marry i often have doubts about them being allowed to adopt children. You can imagine the embarrassment for a child at a parent teacher meeting or a school play when other children have a mother and father attending and he has two "daddies" there. Maybe i am wrong to think this way but i am thinking of the slagging a child would get on an occasion like this as it would happen.

Slasher that's hardly a reason in fairness. Kids can get a slagging from other kids about anything. I used to get slagged every time I got a hair cut or wore hand me downs. And it was harsh slagging too. I know others who got slagged because they had a handicapped brother. Very sad but true. Kids can be cruel (which they learn from their parents!!) but it's an unfortunate part of growing up. It all passes and it's not a reason for it not to be allowed in my opinion.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 28/06/2009 19:58:43    325579

28/06/2009 17:10:38
Mulligan Eamonn
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325419 Our Lord made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

?????!!!!!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 28/06/2009 19:59:39    325580

Mulligan Eamonn
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325419 Our Lord made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Thats straight from a southern baptist church preacher in Alabama or South Carolina, next you'll be telling us that rain is really gods teardrops!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 28/06/2009 20:11:36    325595

RLF, The fact that you got slagged for wearing your big sister's clothes is exactly the point i am making !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/06/2009 20:52:55    325636

28/06/2009 20:11:36 brendtheredhand County: Tyrone Posts: 645 325595 Mulligan Eamonn County: All Posts: 69 325419 Our Lord made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Thats straight from a southern baptist church preacher in Alabama or South Carolina, next you'll be telling us that rain is really gods teardrops! I think it comes from those guys in the southern US states with that website that I am sure the moderator wouldn't publish but you know the one.They were the guys that said that so many Swedes deserved to die during the Sunami because Sweden was too liberal a society!!! YIKES!!!!!!! Not intelligent debate.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 28/06/2009 21:04:18    325651

I see your point about the kid getting bullied but by that logic it would be better for a child to be with bad abusive parents who are straight than a gay couple who would love and care for them?

saffron21 (Antrim) - Posts: 138 - 28/06/2009 21:04:38    325652

It is not the way its supposed to be, Even gay people admit this. Its like a disease that the people inflicted can not help. The best we can do is treat them. Their is a clinic now available in ther usa for gay people who want to stay celibate. Soinstead of slagging and putting up worthless comments we should be helping them integrate into society

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 28/06/2009 21:07:17    325657

You see how stupid some of these religions are when you see them tryin to tell fully grown adults how to live their lives - at the same time as the ferns report is released.
i wont put my thoughts on the church any more graphically because the moderator would block it.
suffcice to say i think a noose wouldnt go astray.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 28/06/2009 21:12:17    325664

Listen lads RLF asked for our opinion the subject and i give mine which i am entitled to do seeing its a open forum now you may not agree with what i said but that is what i believe in so i will stick with that if that is alright with brendtheredhand and patrique.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 29/06/2009 23:24:26    327151