brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 622

321100 Connacht have had 3 different winners since 06.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 23/06/2009 21:28:45    321164

What's the point of this drivel?
It's not as if any of the lard asses who post this stuff can influence the entertainment value of the Ulster Championship.

Open another packet of Nachos and switch over to Eastenders if you don't want to watch these games.
Or go for a walk.
Or train an underage team.

Hill.Farmer (Derry) - Posts: 31 - 23/06/2009 21:51:22    321194

Ulster football is terrible. The first ethic of Ulster football is to stop the other team playing, cut out the oppostion's strong points - neutralise them. Get men behind the ball, crowd them out. It is rarely a fair contest between one and one. All of these aspects are inevitably going to lead to negative football. But what is even more damning is the amount of counties who have adapted it. When Ulster first brought these tactics to the fore it reaped dividents for them. What followed was a "if you can't beat them join them" attitude by other counties. I have to say that Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Galway and some others are some of the counties who still play the old style game and despite a few amtches, the last one against Meath being one of them, nearly all Dublin matches have been attractive ones. e.g Dublin and Tyrone matches, Dublin V Mayo, Dublin V Kerry. They dont get blanket defences behind the ball. They play with a positive attitude towards their own game - and this is more than likely why they have not won All-Irealnds in the past 10 years or so. But some of the rules have to change. In my view the clean fetch, esp from a kick out has to be awarded. Because of the present day conjestion around midfield, the sight of a player making a great catch just to land where all the wolves are and then there are nearly 10 pairs of hands ready to paw him, block his way and then all the pushing and shoving starts. Gaelic Football is atrocious at the moment and something will have to be done about it before everyone loses interest.

Connolly (Dublin) - Posts: 138 - 23/06/2009 21:57:50    321205

Connolly
County: Dublin
Posts: 44

I will say again 3-12 from play hardly not playing football .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 23/06/2009 22:09:40    321215

Ulster football may have it's faults(like all the provinces) but you could never label it as boring.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 23/06/2009 22:16:46    321222

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 5665

321215 Connolly
County: Dublin
Posts: 44

I will say again 3-12 from play hardly not playing football . Hes living in the past now ha ha back to the mountains dellboy

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 23/06/2009 22:23:03    321233

Hey Connolly seeing as you're so knowledgable about the way gaelic football should be played you should pass all your knowledge onto Pat Gilroy and maybe Dublin might start winning matches!!
Those matches you mentioned all ended in heavy defeats for Dublin and you have have the cheek to slag off Ulster football and at the same time say Tyrone and Dublin were invovled in one of the most attractive matches in last few years????
As far as i know Tyrone are still an Ulster team or maybe matches are only attractive if the Dubs are involved???????

HeadButter (Monaghan) - Posts: 312 - 23/06/2009 22:23:04    321234

Ulster football is terrible. The first ethic of Ulster football is to stop the other team playing, cut out the oppostion's strong points - neutralise them. Get men behind the ball, crowd them out. It is rarely a fair contest between one and one. All of these aspects are inevitably going to lead to negative football. But what is even more damning is the amount of counties who have adapted it. When Ulster first brought these tactics to the fore it reaped dividents for them. What followed was a "if you can't beat them join them" attitude by other counties. I have to say that Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Galway and some others are some of the counties who still play the old style game and despite a few amtches, the last one against Meath being one of them, nearly all Dublin matches have been attractive ones. e.g Dublin and Tyrone matches, Dublin V Mayo, Dublin V Kerry. They dont get blanket defences behind the ball. They play with a positive attitude towards their own game - and this is more than likely why they have not won All-Irealnds in the past 10 years or so. But some of the rules have to change. In my view the clean fetch, esp from a kick out has to be awarded. Because of the present day conjestion around midfield, the sight of a player making a great catch just to land where all the wolves are and then there are nearly 10 pairs of hands ready to paw him, block his way and then all the pushing and shoving starts. Gaelic Football is atrocious at the moment and something will have to be done about it before everyone loses interest.
Connolly , 23/06/2009 at 21:57
.................Great post becareful you might get classed a Wum

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 23/06/2009 22:26:43    321240

I will say again 3-12 from play hardly not playing football . Hes living in the past now ha ha back to the mountains dellboy

Yeah a whole year ago. How about Tyrone's performance against Dublin in this year's league? Oh is too far back for you? Then what exactly is your point about Tyrone, the team you loathe and obsess over?

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 23/06/2009 22:32:04    321249

hence why teams like mayo dublin etc at the minute dont win all irelands because they cant stop a great team like kerry tyrone play football

dj27legend (Down) - Posts: 641 - 23/06/2009 22:33:13    321250

I cannot comment on this.

I have not watched Ulster football for a number of years because I find it incredibly bo............

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 23/06/2009 22:36:12    321254

MichaelO
County: Tyrone
Posts: 319

321249 clutcing at straws

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 23/06/2009 22:42:11    321263

tomaoo7
County: Dublin
Posts: 3475

321164 brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 622

321100 Connacht have had 3 different winners since 06

Ah for feck sake timotei man, read my post!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/06/2009 22:48:57    321277

there has been only one good game of football this year and that was tyrone and armagh ,all the other games were average or poor ulster is not the strongest province to be honest i think only tyrone kerry and cork can win sam with dublin galway mayo and maybe armagh with outside chances to win it all the other ulster teams are poor just like the leinster and connaght and munster teams (maybe derry if they have a full 15 will have a chance to win sam ) ,the problem is players have an eye on the qualifiers if they are getting beaten ,something has to be done to bring competiveness back into the provincial championships to be honest the football feels flat at the moment i dont think it really starts now till the end of july which is a shame

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 23/06/2009 22:56:27    321291

MichaelO
County: Tyrone
Posts: 319

321249 clutcing at straws

I have no idea what you're on about anymore, which makes it hard to debate with you.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 23/06/2009 23:25:10    321330

What I am saying is that Ulster football teams first imperative is to neutralise the opposition. Its a negative starting point and leads to drab and boring football. Yes Dublin have not won All-Irelands in the recent past but they definitely contribute to positive and attractive football. Please tell me when you last saw Dublin adapt a blanket defence system. I admire Dublin for trying to beat teams by playing positive football. If you cannot see what this type of negative football eg all behind the ball" etc is doing to our great game then sadly it is not going to regain its beauty and will further decline. Yes Tyrone and other teams can play fantastically attractive football but it is when the opposition dont adapt a "stop at all costs" approach. Westmeath have adapted it in the last couple of years and nearly caught Tyrone last year in Omagh. But it is not improving our game. Tyrone in full flight are a joy to watch and so too are some other counties in Ulster. But we rarely see it in Ulster when they are playing each other because as I have said they are both out to stop each other from playing. I am not saying that other provinces are better than Ulster, but I think the jury would find it guilty of negative football.

Connolly (Dublin) - Posts: 138 - 24/06/2009 01:40:33    321433

toma007,dublin v meath was the most boring game of the year!!!...more jealousy from ulster dominence...most counties that have adapted ulster tactics have alot more sense than those who didnt...we have more passion,more heart and everyone in ulster wants that anglo-celt cup!!!!....i dont beleive kerry wanted there provincial cup....they show a lack of respect....i think they just want sam....where as a team like tyrone wants it all...and who would blame them!!!!


and dublin are just plain chokers....a sniff of sam would have them in jitters!!

.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 24/06/2009 01:58:26    321442

Ulster football is terrible. The first ethic of Ulster football is to stop the other team playing, cut out the oppostion's strong points - neutralise them. Get men behind the ball, crowd them out. It is rarely a fair contest between one and one. All of these aspects are inevitably going to lead to negative football. But what is even more damning is the amount of counties who have adapted it. When Ulster first brought these tactics to the fore it reaped dividents for them. What followed was a "if you can't beat them join them" attitude by other counties. I have to say that Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Galway and some others are some of the counties who still play the old style game and despite a few amtches, the last one against Meath being one of them, nearly all Dublin matches have been attractive ones. e.g Dublin and Tyrone matches, Dublin V Mayo, Dublin V Kerry. They dont get blanket defences behind the ball. They play with a positive attitude towards their own game - and this is more than likely why they have not won All-Irealnds in the past 10 years or so. But some of the rules have to change. In my view the clean fetch, esp from a kick out has to be awarded. Because of the present day conjestion around midfield, the sight of a player making a great catch just to land where all the wolves are and then there are nearly 10 pairs of hands ready to paw him, block his way and then all the pushing and shoving starts. Gaelic Football is atrocious at the moment and something will have to be done about it before everyone loses interest.

Well, the thing is, that although Tyrone have the best defensive system around, they also have the best attacking system, as hard as that might be to accept. A team doesn't win three all-irelands (and all those underage titles from the late 1990s etc) through some sort of fluke. It's sad to see some of the begrudgery from certain quarters. It's basically an excuse - a refusal to contemplate that any defeat by a county like those darn Tyronies could be down to anything like not having good enough players. From the evidence of last year's quarter-final between Tyrone/Dublin, there was only one county with a deficit in footballing ability, and it wasn't Tyrone. Your assertion that Dublin, Kerry etc play the old style game is hilarious. Have you watched an old game recently? Plus the main reason that Dublin haven't won an all-ireland this decade is because they haven't been good enough, not because they don't have a blanket defence.

It's revisionism and begrudgery. You should watch the 05 final between Tyrone and Kerry or something.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 24/06/2009 03:42:14    321453

Lets face it, the whole championship has yet to take off... I challenge anyone to tell me where there's been an exiting game. The backdoor rule has bred complacency and some teams aren't bothered...why die for the cause when you can live to fight another day? Derry and Kerry spring to mind

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 24/06/2009 10:47:40    321563

I have to agree wit MichaelO. I remember hearin an interview with Alan Brogan last year before the Tyrone match and he said that the Dublin team had been working ferociously in the gym on their bulk during the previous months and that they now felt more able to deal with the likes of Tyrone. Then they were annhilated by a lithe, svelte and precociously talented Tyrone at Croke park. I always think back to that interview as evidence that Dublin and their management are all at sea when it comes dealin with a class outfit. Stop makin silly excuses for yourselves. The only way Gaelic football is goin to improve in lesser counties is to look no further than our Sperrin neighbours. They are the benchmark boy and every other county should show a bit of respect where it is due. Youv`e done it for Kerry for long enough for goodness sake.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 24/06/2009 10:57:27    321569