I must say its a stereotypical response from some Irish people, when some one in Ireland has a different view to the Armchair Republican view, the immeadiate response is to call him a west Brit.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 18/06/2009 12:34:15    315803

Peope are entitled to your views if you dont like it tough.Its less than 90 years ago we were killing one another.Im sure if it comes to a United Ireland there will be referdum and the people will answer the question then.As for english people i lived in England for a while the majority of English people dont give a toss about Ireland or know what goes on there unless there x miltary .Ulsterman all you doing is stirring it up with a thread like this.Cop on theres other ways of talking about than being so extreme with your opening post.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 18/06/2009 12:36:10    315807

I must say its a stereotypical response from some Irish people, when some one in Ireland has a different view to the Armchair Republican view, the immeadiate response is to call him a west Brit.



I must say its a stereotypical response from some Irish people, when some one in Ireland has a different view to the WestBrit, the immeadiate response is to call him a Armchair Republican

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 18/06/2009 12:59:41    315850

Tomaoo Stirring it up?? What, by exposing & highlighting the two faced hypocrisy that passes for political & media comment towards the North? I will most certainly not remain silent and deaf to the hypocrisy all around me and no better example than many posters on HS. If others prefer to bury their heads and ignore British/Unionist violence and bigotry that is their choice BUT I will not be part of that. I live in a small Catholic community in a part of Belfast which has suffered greatly at the hands of Loyalists and I get very angry when many fellow Irishmen forget the crimes carried out against Northern Nationalists instead preferring to worship and pander at the altar of Unionism and Britain. The Southern media & political Establishments are a disgrace and others on here agree. They are revisionists who are trying to rewrite Irish history to blame everything on Irish Nationalism while absolving the British & Unionism. There is NOT one newspaper in Dublin that has reported the Northern conflict fairly, EVERYTHING has been blamed on Republicans and Northern Catholics are often labelled as 'whingers' for standing up for themselves. This moral cowardice of NOT offending Unionism or London has been the motto for the Southern media & political arena for decades and is still alive and well as I can read on here.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 18/06/2009 13:42:43    315903

Ulsterman you know who controls the media its the same all over the world ,they print what they want to print.The people of the south have nothing to do with that,i dont even buy a paper and the odd time i would it would be th irish times.My family as suffered as much as the next for what the brits done in this country.I dont live in the north

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 18/06/2009 14:03:25    315924

Meath_bhoy County: Meath Posts: 63 315754 Paddyogall, below sound like anyone we know?...Ok, so you like Gaelic games "West Briton" is today used by some Irish people to criticise others for a variety of perceived faults: * taking a view of Irish history which highlights perceived positive aspects of British influence in Ireland, or criticizing Irish nationalist rebellions * cultural cringe: following British popular culture, while appearing embarrassed by or disdainful of aspects of Irish culture, such as the Irish language or Gaelic games *opposition or indifference to a United Ireland or militant Irish Republicanism *Support (or alleged support) for Neo-Unionism * Nationalist former politician Kevin Boland described the Fine Gael party as such in his 1984 book Fine Gael: British or Irish.[ Didn't realise these were the west brit criteria. As I would be opposed to militant Irish Republicanism I suppose I'm a west brit too. You learn somethin new every day I suppose

bluboy (Dublin) - Posts: 318 - 18/06/2009 14:12:31    315935

Corkcelt, u have proven ureself a damn good poster on this forum and i respect you hugely so i do not include you in this, but the like of Meath Bhoy and 32_4_1 and these Southern Republicans Tiocfadh Ar La, armchair republicans make me sick. Paddyogall makes a point giving a very genuine, honest and valid opinion and you lot of "Extra Irish People" think it makes him British!!! Myself and Paddy have had MANYS an argument here but I would never call the mans character and nationality into question! My Grandfather RIP was an IRA man, a genuine old school IRA man. Did time in the Curragh, refused a state pension to the day he died as he did not recognise the state. He bled green and was fanatical Republican, but nothing, and I mean nothing annoyed him more than "barstool republicans" who think supporting Glasgow Celtic, (a British football team) singing stupid republican wannabe songs, listening to the Wolf Tones and having a triclolur tatooed on their arm made them "more irish" than the rest of us! You lads havent a bloody clue, not a clue! Paddy, I may not always agree with you, but I support to right to say what you like without being called a "west brit" or "English".......i would rather be an English Royalist Protestant than be like any of those crew i already mentioned.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 18/06/2009 14:28:32    315958

Ulsterman County: Antrim Posts: 671 315903 Tomaoo Stirring it up?? What, by exposing & highlighting the two faced hypocrisy that passes for political & media comment towards the North? I will most certainly not remain silent and deaf to the hypocrisy all around me and no better example than many posters on HS. If others prefer to bury their heads and ignore British/Unionist violence and bigotry that is their choice BUT I will not be part of that. I live in a small Catholic community in a part of Belfast which has suffered greatly at the hands of Loyalists and I get very angry when many fellow Irishmen forget the crimes carried out against Northern Nationalists instead preferring to worship and pander at the altar of Unionism and Britain. The Southern media & political Establishments are a disgrace and others on here agree. They are revisionists who are trying to rewrite Irish history to blame everything on Irish Nationalism while absolving the British & Unionism. There is NOT one newspaper in Dublin that has reported the Northern conflict fairly, EVERYTHING has been blamed on Republicans and Northern Catholics are often labelled as 'whingers' for standing up for themselves. This moral cowardice of NOT offending Unionism or London has been the motto for the Southern media & political arena for decades and is still alive and well as I can read on here. Ah dry your eyes and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 18/06/2009 14:29:46    315960

Ulsterman i tryed to reply to you,but my post was stopped for some reason,see thats democracy people choose what they let people say.Ulsterman i dont give a **** for the sothern press ,dont blame the people of the south for your problems.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 18/06/2009 14:32:06    315964

Good post Ulsterman, very well put. Liam you have gone down a lot in my estimation recently, thankfully your views dont reflect that of most Dub's ive met.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1072 - 18/06/2009 14:56:04    315988

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Good post Ulsterman, very well put. Liam you have gone down a lot in my estimation recently, thankfully your views dont reflect that of most Dub's ive met.


Have I ? Feck! Gutted ................

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 18/06/2009 15:11:50    316004

I said it before. Some northern posters are extremely needy and require an awful lot of re-assurance from us in the Republic.

RAM85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 978 - 18/06/2009 15:38:58    316042

Liam I don't quite qiute understand your references to Southern Celtic\chukky fans and Northern Celtic\chukky fans ?? Is there a difference? The Ethos of the GAA is that we are 32 and all Irish. Therefore, surely a celtic fan from Meath or one from Belfast are both just plain old IRISH Celtic fans. In another thread you say you understand folk from the 6c supporting Celtic but not folk from the 26? Eh!! , so you think its ok for 6c folk to ' Bash the Brits' ( your words) via Celtic do you? That's acceptable to you is it?? I would have thought that this goes totally against your WestBrit ethos. You also say that Southern Celts are bar stool republicans. So if I came from thirty miles up the road i would be a REAL ONE would I ? and that's assuming that ALL Northerners are rebublican which of course they are not.!! You are all over the place man!

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 18/06/2009 15:40:30    316044

That post just proved my point Liam. Gutted as you are, hopefully you can recover.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1072 - 18/06/2009 15:41:49    316046

I read the irish times too, i guess that just confirms i'm a "west Brit"

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 18/06/2009 15:44:38    316054

Dont say you watch cricket whatever you do, Paddy.....it will be the end of you........the savages will tear you limb from limb.........!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 18/06/2009 15:49:51    316061

Meath Bhoy, tell me this, you say I am a 'west Brit'....now tell me why.....go on....tell me why I Liam from Walkinstown, in Dublin Ireland, living in Limerick Ireland, GAA Fanatic, with irish parents, grandparents and so on on ....go on tell me now why I am a 'west Brit', and your not.....? Is it cos You support GLASGOW Celtic, and I dont....???!!!!! (people from the 6 counties have had to put with **** you and I could only imagine, so they have the right to be bitter, you from Meath, the worst you have had to put up with is the colonisation of Meath by Anto, Deco and Sharon, big difference!)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 18/06/2009 15:55:28    316071

ulsterman is just clean crazy...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 18/06/2009 16:32:58    316121

There are generalisations being cast by all sides here, Liam you object to people like yourself and paddyogall being labeled West Brits yet you had no problem from the very start of this post signaling your dislike of 26 county Celtic fans en bloc. So what are you suggesting that they go out and plant a bomb then they can be elevated from the status of armchair republicans to real republicans. I have the greatest respect for men like your grandfather. I also acknowledge that times have changed and Republicans must forward their ambitions by persuasion and by peaceful means. However that does not mean that we abandon our principles. As long as I live I will remain committed to the reunification of my Country, I will support the GAA and Cork GAA in particular, I will also support Glasgow Celtic and I will always support my fellow Gaels from the 6 Counties. On this forum when presented with antagonistic posts from paddy and his ilk I will refute them and stand my ground and make no apologies for so doing.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 18/06/2009 16:43:23    316144

Liam

I am afraid I am not as elequant as CorkCelt so am unable to put it better myself..well said Corkcelt

I don't think at any point any celtic supporter on here has said the words 'supporting Celtic makes me more Irish' That seems to be an issue you have. I can just
see your face when a celtic shirt walks in a pub and you think to yourlself " look at that fooker, thinks he's paddy of the year" .Get over it Liam, he might be a nice guy! As said many times on here the link to Celtic & nationalist Ireland is historical. Yes I know Celtic FC are based in Britain and pay British Taxes but there again so is shay Given, Damian Duff, Robbie keane etc. when did they last pay Irish tax?

As for you being a west brit I seriously don't get why as a GAA man you continually refer to 'Northern' and ' Southern' Ireland-Not the GAA ethos. It reminds me of the time that some Dublin fans ( a handful only, im not dub bashing ) were baiting Armagh fans on the hill about being British. That is something they probably get all the time from unionists up there and certainly don't deserve from so called fellow irish nationalists. To me a Celtic fan from Meath and Belfast are the SAME. Irish ! You acknowledge partition which is a pro Britsh stance and then you say its understandable that fans from the 6c can use Celtic to bash the Brits ( a non british stance)! It's just your contradictions and generalisations,, that's all

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 18/06/2009 17:22:55    316196