Liamwalkinstown County: Dublin Posts: 1656 290005 Paddy, it has EVERYTHING to do with it. It attracted certain "members" of society who would use the church as a cloak of secrecy for their perversions. But again I object to the term "our church" this is not a catholic state anymore and thank god for that. (see what i did there?!) I would still regard myself as Christian, but Catholic.....No. In my opinion the Catholic Church is the single most corrupt entity in Modern Irish History and nothing short of an EVIL Disgrace. _____________________________________________ In seriousness though have to agree with you there. There is alot of deluded people within the catholic church in Ireland (alot of very good people tho also i must add). But times have changed now. This is in the past, but i think it will be a major cop out if alot of people are not brought to justice.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 21/05/2009 21:30:05    290451

Dr.Shephard
County: Leitrim
Posts: 309

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All this proves that there is no God. If there was and he was as powerful and loving as yee all believe he is then he wouldn't have allowed this to happen.


Am not a big holy person but there is a god and someday you will pray to him and maybe need him.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/05/2009 21:30:45    290452

we need to see justice and as liam said sell their lands to compensate the poor abused kids remember lads these were young children who were abused not the grown up adults we are seen on telly

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 21/05/2009 21:33:08    290455

No Liam. I am only speaking as a catholic. Maybe on hindsight the tread should be addressed to those of the Catholic church only.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 21/05/2009 22:02:47    290473

32_4_1 a person can believe in god but not be a catholic...etc. The catholic church like others is a man made organisation. It is an organisation in which child abuse is endemic. They knew it was happening on a widescale level and continued to allow it to happen, that makes them inherently responsible. I know many people who believe who believe in god who would never set foot inside a church because they believe these man made religions do not represent the word of jesus or the bible. I feel sorry for all the good priests and members of the catholic church but i can only assume that they will now leave this organisation. I cant see how anyone could continue to be a member of an organisation which knowingly allowed these horrific things to happen over such a long period. Surely now it is time for the GAA to cut any ties with this organisation. It cannot be right that an organisation with alot of young members like the GAA can be associated with an organisation which allowed and fostered child abuse throughout the country.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 21/05/2009 22:19:05    290489

Lets not forget the children that are buried in unmarked graves,theres no justice for them

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 21/05/2009 22:24:24    290495

omaoo7
County: Dublin
Posts: 2938

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Lets not forget the children that are buried in unmarked graves,theres no justice for them

And they never will be any justice for them that is the sad thing about it .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/05/2009 22:34:22    290510

One of the main things that fostered the evil in those orphanages and schools was silence. However, to compare it to the jewish Holocaust is nonsense and a poor fit. Ultimately not doing these people and their families any good. Poor analogies get you nowhere.

It was allowed continue by the Irish trait of "hear no evil see no evil". That attitude still exists today in all forms. Time we spoke up and dealt with issues instead of sweeping them under the carpet for fear the neighbours will laugh at us.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 21/05/2009 23:37:00    290571

the state failed us, they let the catholic church run this country for decades and every1 was afraid of them, even now the government wont go after the priests/nuns who carried out the abuse its a DISGRACE!! also you know how you hear older people talking about how nice ireland who in the old days well thats the greatest load of tripe i ever heard, ireland was a nation covering up its evil

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11564 - 22/05/2009 12:33:50    290899

Liamwalkinstown
County: Dublin
Posts: 1662

289958 who is our??? what do u mean OUR church?????
Its not my church boss, if its yours dont be bothered being ashamed, shame is one of their means of subjugating people, stand up and be proud, that you are not like them

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/05/2009 15:33:45    291109

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 4991

290452 Dr.Shephard
County: Leitrim
Posts: 309


Am not a big holy person but there is a god and someday you will pray to him and maybe need him.

just because you believe there is a god doesn't mean there actually is one, did you believe in santy. when people were told to believe the world was flat, was it actually flat.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/05/2009 15:37:06    291114

Dhorse, how do you know the world is round. Because people tell you that it is!

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 22/05/2009 15:49:46    291129

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 1853

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Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 4991

290452 Dr.Shephard
County: Leitrim
Posts: 309


Am not a big holy person but there is a god and someday you will pray to him and maybe need him.

just because you believe there is a god doesn't mean there actually is one, did you believe in santy. when people were told to believe the world was flat, was it actually flat.


I believe in god and there is a good and few years ago i said few prayers to him when i was ill and to me he saved me .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/05/2009 20:44:42    291379

Brolly
County: Monaghan
Posts: 274

290113 Liam...

I say OUR because the Catholic Church IS the people. It is the higher-archy and structures within our Church that is the problem. Not the people.
What has happened is the most evil it could be...

I'm one of the people and under no circumstances is it MY church, if its yours fine, but dont pick out the sweet bits and say the rest is not part of it, if you want to be in the band wear the hat.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/05/2009 23:50:48    291520

That speech from the man in the audience on Questions & Answers was one of the most heartrending powerful pieces I have ever heard. He was abused as a child and now as an old man he still wakes up sweating from nightmares at what he went through. It should make every priest, bishop and cardinal in the Catholic Church fall on their knees and beg for forgiveness.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 25/05/2009 23:02:58    293711

liamo im with you on this one!!!the crimes that church commited against the most defenceless citizens of this country is in my opinion up there in terms of the most grevious moral descrepencies commited by any instititution in modern society...call me what you will but i firmly believe the church behaved in no way different than the nazi's in germany, the whites in america denying civil rights to blacks etc...they had the power and basically abused it...i dont buy the idea either that "all priests wernt bad"...tell that to the abused victims...its a lame excuse for an era of shame,torture,rape and belittling and destroying human lives...the catholic church once consider the pillar and spiritual voice of the irish state should be stripped of all its contacts to the institutions of the state...by this i mean they should have no given right to tend to the education or healthcare of our childern or sick on a monolopy basis...if people want to join church education etc out of their own free will then thats fine but under no circumstances should that organisation be allowed to socialise the childern of our future.if any other organisation carried out these crimes they would be shut down,id love to see this happen to some churches and dioceses with shameful records...i somehow doubt it will happen though!!!!!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 25/05/2009 23:41:37    293775

32-4-1 are you actually for real...ponder this...jesus,your god wasnt a catholic,he was a jew...i respect anybodys right to a faith but religion is man made...while your catholic creed orders you to believe "in the one true catholic church" what right does anybody have to deny anybody elses faith...its ruthless blindless ideas like these that will keep that organisation in the centre of irish society...the celtic tiger and the years before stripped the church of some of its power and i firmly believe it was a good thing...dont get me wrong!!! i fully respect a persons faith in any religion or being but keep it private and away from the structures of society...the idea that to be irish is to be catholic is dead....

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 25/05/2009 23:53:54    293789

Totally agree with you ulsterman. None of the panelists had any response to that. Just feel its a disgrace that it has rolled on for so long. 'Meally mouthed' apologies was the term used by that guy, and he is spot on. I know that receiving financial recompense counts for nothing in these situations, but i feel it is time the Catholic Church took full responsibility for the actions of its clergy. Its like the nazis saying the holocaust never took place. The Vatican need to take a good look at what has happened over the years, and any of those involved need brought to the courts, just like any other paedophiles, and never mind trying to cover up and make excuses.

Chester1970 (Armagh) - Posts: 509 - 26/05/2009 09:03:16    293905

Hopefully this will be the end of religion anyway, the first name 5 year old children should hear when they first attend school is that of Charles Darwin

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 26/05/2009 11:18:07    294023

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 1082

294023 Hopefully this will be the end of religion anyway, the first name 5 year old children should hear when they first attend school is that of Charles Darwin or biddy early

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 26/05/2009 22:13:02    294918